I am corrected. Voter Fraud Found in Election
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@larry I’ve tried - haven’t found anything.
And I start with Twitter true believers and fraud-sympathetic websites.
No one has evidence.
@xenon said in I am corrected. Voter Fraud Found in Election:
@larry I’ve tried - haven’t found anything.
And I start with Twitter true believers and fraud-sympathetic websites.
No one has evidence.
How about all the people who filed affidavits on penalty of perjury who can't get a fucking court to hear them? Have you thought to check into that? Or are you expecting to hear it from the people that say what you want to hear? They've all had their lives threatened, you know. Quite a few of them have lost their jobs because they spoke out. Some have backed out for fear of their lives. Does that sound like you're going to find the evidence by reading the tweets of the fools you agree with?
Maybe you could look up some of the news stories about the truck drivers who have sworn under oath that they hailed tractor trailer loads of ballots across state lines into the 4 districts accused of fraud. How about that. Can you pull your head out of your ass long enough to look those up?
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@xenon said in I am corrected. Voter Fraud Found in Election:
@larry I’ve tried - haven’t found anything.
And I start with Twitter true believers and fraud-sympathetic websites.
No one has evidence.
How about all the people who filed affidavits on penalty of perjury who can't get a fucking court to hear them? Have you thought to check into that? Or are you expecting to hear it from the people that say what you want to hear? They've all had their lives threatened, you know. Quite a few of them have lost their jobs because they spoke out. Some have backed out for fear of their lives. Does that sound like you're going to find the evidence by reading the tweets of the fools you agree with?
Maybe you could look up some of the news stories about the truck drivers who have sworn under oath that they hailed tractor trailer loads of ballots across state lines into the 4 districts accused of fraud. How about that. Can you pull your head out of your ass long enough to look those up?
@larry yes I have read some affidavits. One was by a cyber security analyst that mistook MI for MN and said turnout was mathematically impossible in the counties (Russ Ramland - he was touted by Giuliani and made it to Lou Dobbs). As for courts hearing the evidence - the Trump campaign has had multiple chances to present this sort of evidence. They haven’t.
The trucker thing - are you talking about the Lancaster example? He didn’t see any actual fraud - he said his trucking processes were irregular. You don’t face much legal jeopardy from an affidavit like that.
Happy to talk specifics.
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@larry yes I have read some affidavits. One was by a cyber security analyst that mistook MI for MN and said turnout was mathematically impossible in the counties (Russ Ramland - he was touted by Giuliani and made it to Lou Dobbs). As for courts hearing the evidence - the Trump campaign has had multiple chances to present this sort of evidence. They haven’t.
The trucker thing - are you talking about the Lancaster example? He didn’t see any actual fraud - he said his trucking processes were irregular. You don’t face much legal jeopardy from an affidavit like that.
Happy to talk specifics.
@xenon said in I am corrected. Voter Fraud Found in Election:
@larry yes I have read some affidavits. One was by a cyber security analyst that mistook MI for MN and said turnout was mathematically impossible in the counties (Russ Ramland - he was touted by Giuliani and made it to Lou Dobbs). As for courts hearing the evidence - the Trump campaign has had multiple chances to present this sort of evidence. They haven’t.
The trucker thing - are you talking about the Lancaster example? He didn’t see any actual fraud - he said his trucking processes were irregular. You don’t face much legal jeopardy from an affidavit like that.
Happy to talk specifics.
Have you read much election law?
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@larry yes I have read some affidavits. One was by a cyber security analyst that mistook MI for MN and said turnout was mathematically impossible in the counties (Russ Ramland - he was touted by Giuliani and made it to Lou Dobbs). As for courts hearing the evidence - the Trump campaign has had multiple chances to present this sort of evidence. They haven’t.
The trucker thing - are you talking about the Lancaster example? He didn’t see any actual fraud - he said his trucking processes were irregular. You don’t face much legal jeopardy from an affidavit like that.
Happy to talk specifics.
@xenon said in I am corrected. Voter Fraud Found in Election:
yes I have read some affidavits. One was by a cyber security analyst that mistook MI for MN and said turnout was mathematically impossible in the counties (Russ Ramland - he was touted by Giuliani and made it to Lou Dobbs).
George posted the Powerline blog guy commenting on the MI/MN screw up.
As a reminder the data (at least on its face) showed vote totals that exceeded registered voter counts, or maybe even population counts. It looked bad, IOW.
What's funny is the powerline guy then asked the logical question - does this mean that the investigator inadvertently discovered fraud in some MN districts? He went on to say no, because those districts are red and these kinds of things happen in blue districts, not red ones. So evidence that was going to be dispositive proof of fraud in a blue area was worthy of ignoring in a red area.
That one sentence tells you everything you need to know about the election Truthers. Literally all of the information about them is contained in that example.
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@xenon said in I am corrected. Voter Fraud Found in Election:
yes I have read some affidavits. One was by a cyber security analyst that mistook MI for MN and said turnout was mathematically impossible in the counties (Russ Ramland - he was touted by Giuliani and made it to Lou Dobbs).
George posted the Powerline blog guy commenting on the MI/MN screw up.
As a reminder the data (at least on its face) showed vote totals that exceeded registered voter counts, or maybe even population counts. It looked bad, IOW.
What's funny is the powerline guy then asked the logical question - does this mean that the investigator inadvertently discovered fraud in some MN districts? He went on to say no, because those districts are red and these kinds of things happen in blue districts, not red ones. So evidence that was going to be dispositive proof of fraud in a blue area was worthy of ignoring in a red area.
That one sentence tells you everything you need to know about the election Truthers. Literally all of the information about them is contained in that example.
@jon-nyc I had a similar reaction to the trucker thing.
This USPS subcontractor was going off about how his processes were different - but didn’t bother coming up with an election fraud theory.
Why would cheaters make mail in ballots disappear? They favor Biden.
If it were tampered ballots that disappeared - why would they take them out of circulation, tamper with them, give them back to someone not in on the conspiracy just to take them right back out of circulation?
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You guys aren't even talking about the right one. The one I'm talking about is the guy who drove 288,000 completed ballots from New York to Pennsylvania.
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You guys aren't even talking about the right one. The one I'm talking about is the guy who drove 288,000 completed ballots from New York to Pennsylvania.
@larry yup. That’s him - I listened to his video after you mentioned him yesterday.
The post office responded to this as well. They said they had manual sorting setup to expedite there. Which is why they “disappeared” from the electronic tracking system.
And also - my comments in the previous post apply.
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It is a federal crime to transport ballots across state lines. For ANY reason. And if you believe they did that just to sort ballots, then you are at least 7 kinds of stupid.
@larry said in I am corrected. Voter Fraud Found in Election:
It is a federal crime to transport ballots across state lines. For ANY reason. And if you believe they did that just to sort ballots, then you are at least 7 kinds of stupid.
Are you sure that’s a federal crime? Just reacting to that, what if you have oversees ballots coming in to a state without a direct flight?
Can a voter take their ballot out of state and throw it in a usps box?
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@larry said in I am corrected. Voter Fraud Found in Election:
It is a federal crime to transport ballots across state lines. For ANY reason. And if you believe they did that just to sort ballots, then you are at least 7 kinds of stupid.
No way, vote-by-mail allows ballots to be mailed from out of state and out of country. Otherwise military personnel and diplomats stationed outside the country would not be able to vote without leaving their posts. You have to be 7 kajillion kinds of stupid to think that “it is a federal crime to transport ballots across state lines. For ANY reason.”
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Damn, it's like trying to explain so etching to a three year old..
YES, you as a citizen can mail YOUR ballot to where it needs to go. Now one of you geniuses explain to me what individual can mail 288,000 ballots. Or maybe you can explain how 288,000 Pennsylvanians all living in New York independently mailed their Pennsylvania ballot to New York on the same fucking day necessitating the postal service to need a dedicated truck just to haul them to where they should go. If you can't do that, maybe then at least one of you will figure it out.
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Damn, it's like trying to explain so etching to a three year old..
YES, you as a citizen can mail YOUR ballot to where it needs to go. Now one of you geniuses explain to me what individual can mail 288,000 ballots. Or maybe you can explain how 288,000 Pennsylvanians all living in New York independently mailed their Pennsylvania ballot to New York on the same fucking day necessitating the postal service to need a dedicated truck just to haul them to where they should go. If you can't do that, maybe then at least one of you will figure it out.
@larry said in I am corrected. Voter Fraud Found in Election:
Damn, it's like trying to explain so etching to a three year old..
YES, you as a citizen can mail YOUR ballot to where it needs to go. Now one of you geniuses explain to me what individual can mail 288,000 ballots. Or maybe you can explain how 288,000 Pennsylvanians all living in New York independently mailed their Pennsylvania ballot to New York on the same fucking day necessitating the postal service to need a dedicated truck just to haul them to where they should go. If you can't do that, maybe then at least one of you will figure it out.
They said they had manual processing setup at a location and it’s faster than the electronic process. Is that completely unfathomable?
Also - what are they going to do with NY ballots in Penn?
Also - why make mail in ballots disappear? They favor Biden.
Also - why are USPS workers risking jail time for a Biden win?
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You've got it all figured out, so we should just put you in charge. Things will go well until you finally run out of comebacks, and then you'll say what you always say once your argument finally falls apart - " I haven't been following it that closely anyway, and it really doesn't matter to me."
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Damn, it's like trying to explain so etching to a three year old..
YES, you as a citizen can mail YOUR ballot to where it needs to go. Now one of you geniuses explain to me what individual can mail 288,000 ballots. Or maybe you can explain how 288,000 Pennsylvanians all living in New York independently mailed their Pennsylvania ballot to New York on the same fucking day necessitating the postal service to need a dedicated truck just to haul them to where they should go. If you can't do that, maybe then at least one of you will figure it out.
@larry said in I am corrected. Voter Fraud Found in Election:
Damn, it's like trying to explain so etching to a three year old..
YES, you as a citizen can mail YOUR ballot to where it needs to go. Now one of you geniuses explain to me what individual can mail 288,000 ballots. Or maybe you can explain how 288,000 Pennsylvanians all living in New York independently mailed their Pennsylvania ballot to New York on the same fucking day necessitating the postal service to need a dedicated truck just to haul them to where they should go. If you can't do that, maybe then at least one of you will figure it out.
Have you read the truck driver’s affidavit? And checked out the rest of the legal case around his story? Did you do any further digging? One does not require legal training to spot the huge holes in it.
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@larry said in I am corrected. Voter Fraud Found in Election:
Damn, it's like trying to explain so etching to a three year old..
YES, you as a citizen can mail YOUR ballot to where it needs to go. Now one of you geniuses explain to me what individual can mail 288,000 ballots. Or maybe you can explain how 288,000 Pennsylvanians all living in New York independently mailed their Pennsylvania ballot to New York on the same fucking day necessitating the postal service to need a dedicated truck just to haul them to where they should go. If you can't do that, maybe then at least one of you will figure it out.
Have you read the truck driver’s affidavit? And checked out the rest of the legal case around his story? Did you do any further digging? One does not require legal training to spot the huge holes in it.
@nunatax said in I am corrected. Voter Fraud Found in Election:
@larry said in I am corrected. Voter Fraud Found in Election:
Damn, it's like trying to explain so etching to a three year old..
YES, you as a citizen can mail YOUR ballot to where it needs to go. Now one of you geniuses explain to me what individual can mail 288,000 ballots. Or maybe you can explain how 288,000 Pennsylvanians all living in New York independently mailed their Pennsylvania ballot to New York on the same fucking day necessitating the postal service to need a dedicated truck just to haul them to where they should go. If you can't do that, maybe then at least one of you will figure it out.
Have you read the truck driver’s affidavit? And checked out the rest of the legal case around his story? Did you do any further digging? One does not require legal training to spot the huge holes in it.
I did.
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Turtles all the way down.
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@larry said in I am corrected. Voter Fraud Found in Election:
Damn, it's like trying to explain so etching to a three year old..
YES, you as a citizen can mail YOUR ballot to where it needs to go. Now one of you geniuses explain to me what individual can mail 288,000 ballots. Or maybe you can explain how 288,000 Pennsylvanians all living in New York independently mailed their Pennsylvania ballot to New York on the same fucking day necessitating the postal service to need a dedicated truck just to haul them to where they should go. If you can't do that, maybe then at least one of you will figure it out.
Have you read the truck driver’s affidavit? And checked out the rest of the legal case around his story? Did you do any further digging? One does not require legal training to spot the huge holes in it.
@nunatax said in I am corrected. Voter Fraud Found in Election:
Have you read the truck driver’s affidavit?
Nunatax: quick - what’s the tensile strength of stainless steel at 450C???
Only non-witches get due process.
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@nunatax said in I am corrected. Voter Fraud Found in Election:
@larry said in I am corrected. Voter Fraud Found in Election:
Damn, it's like trying to explain so etching to a three year old..
YES, you as a citizen can mail YOUR ballot to where it needs to go. Now one of you geniuses explain to me what individual can mail 288,000 ballots. Or maybe you can explain how 288,000 Pennsylvanians all living in New York independently mailed their Pennsylvania ballot to New York on the same fucking day necessitating the postal service to need a dedicated truck just to haul them to where they should go. If you can't do that, maybe then at least one of you will figure it out.
Have you read the truck driver’s affidavit? And checked out the rest of the legal case around his story? Did you do any further digging? One does not require legal training to spot the huge holes in it.
I did.
@larry said in I am corrected. Voter Fraud Found in Election:
@nunatax said in I am corrected. Voter Fraud Found in Election:
@larry said in I am corrected. Voter Fraud Found in Election:
Damn, it's like trying to explain so etching to a three year old..
YES, you as a citizen can mail YOUR ballot to where it needs to go. Now one of you geniuses explain to me what individual can mail 288,000 ballots. Or maybe you can explain how 288,000 Pennsylvanians all living in New York independently mailed their Pennsylvania ballot to New York on the same fucking day necessitating the postal service to need a dedicated truck just to haul them to where they should go. If you can't do that, maybe then at least one of you will figure it out.
Have you read the truck driver’s affidavit? And checked out the rest of the legal case around his story? Did you do any further digging? One does not require legal training to spot the huge holes in it.
I did.
Was that before or after you spoke about “the guy who drove 288,000 completed ballots from New York to Pennsylvania” as if that was an undisputable fact?
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@nunatax said in I am corrected. Voter Fraud Found in Election:
Have you read the truck driver’s affidavit?
Nunatax: quick - what’s the tensile strength of stainless steel at 450C???
@jon-nyc said in I am corrected. Voter Fraud Found in Election:
@nunatax said in I am corrected. Voter Fraud Found in Election:
Have you read the truck driver’s affidavit?
Nunatax: quick - what’s the tensile strength of stainless steel at 450C???
No idea, but I just ran into a guy who happens to be a janitor at a university so I asked him if he could give an estimate. He said he sucked at that and that it could be 250 or it could be 7,500 psi. So I assume the right number must be somewhere between 144,000 and 288,000 psi
But stainless steel is very strong, right? So let’s go for 288,000!
