Governors' stay-at-home orders are 'unconstitutional,' cases won't hold up in court
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wrote on 22 Apr 2020, 21:43 last edited by
I suspect that many governors, like the president, may have extraordinary powers in an emergency.
Still, I don't like some of the things they have done.
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wrote on 22 Apr 2020, 22:46 last edited by xenon
A bit of a different perspective - during the bombing of London, you had to follow guidelines on when you could turn on your lights.
During WW2 here - there was flour and sugar rationing.
Now this isn't a war - but we're talking about is the limits of the power of compulsion from the state.
Both of those things are massive infringements on personal rights by the state. I'm not sure where the theoretical max is on the government's power of compulsion in an emergency.
Ask yourself - what are you really arguing :
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This isn't really an emergency
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The power of the state should be limited, no matter if there's an emergency
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wrote on 22 Apr 2020, 22:54 last edited by
It seems to me that certain conservatives have lost the 'Covid is just like the flu' argument, and now they're changing the direction of the smoke they're trying to blow up our arses to one of civil liberties.
(Sarcasm)It kind of makes you wonder about their real motivation.
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It seems to me that certain conservatives have lost the 'Covid is just like the flu' argument, and now they're changing the direction of the smoke they're trying to blow up our arses to one of civil liberties.
(Sarcasm)It kind of makes you wonder about their real motivation.
wrote on 22 Apr 2020, 23:03 last edited by@Doctor-Phibes said in Governors' stay-at-home orders are 'unconstitutional,' cases won't hold up in court:
It seems to me that certain conservatives have lost the 'Covid is just like the flu' argument,
The real motivation is evil, pure and simple, evil.
And the 'Covid is no worse than the flu' argument ended a few days ago when deaths from COVID exceeded deaths from this year's flu. COVID wins.
Of course the year is an arbitrary period of time and you could choose a longer period if it suits your purpose. For example, the number of flu deaths over the last 5 years is far greater than the number from COVID.
Pandemics are not limited by a single year, so if you are just comparing total deaths, there are options.
Of course when you throw in the economic impact, there is no comparison.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Governors' stay-at-home orders are 'unconstitutional,' cases won't hold up in court:
It seems to me that certain conservatives have lost the 'Covid is just like the flu' argument,
The real motivation is evil, pure and simple, evil.
And the 'Covid is no worse than the flu' argument ended a few days ago when deaths from COVID exceeded deaths from this year's flu. COVID wins.
Of course the year is an arbitrary period of time and you could choose a longer period if it suits your purpose. For example, the number of flu deaths over the last 5 years is far greater than the number from COVID.
Pandemics are not limited by a single year, so if you are just comparing total deaths, there are options.
Of course when you throw in the economic impact, there is no comparison.
wrote on 22 Apr 2020, 23:06 last edited by@Copper said in Governors' stay-at-home orders are 'unconstitutional,' cases won't hold up in court:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Governors' stay-at-home orders are 'unconstitutional,' cases won't hold up in court:
It seems to me that certain conservatives have lost the 'Covid is just like the flu' argument,
And the 'Covid is no worse than the flu' argument ended a few days ago when deaths from COVID exceeded deaths from this year's flu. COVID wins.
There was an entire forum of people who knew that was going to happen, for months. They knew because the projections provided no possibility otherwise. None.
It ended a few days ago for you and only you.
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@Copper said in Governors' stay-at-home orders are 'unconstitutional,' cases won't hold up in court:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Governors' stay-at-home orders are 'unconstitutional,' cases won't hold up in court:
It seems to me that certain conservatives have lost the 'Covid is just like the flu' argument,
And the 'Covid is no worse than the flu' argument ended a few days ago when deaths from COVID exceeded deaths from this year's flu. COVID wins.
There was an entire forum of people who knew that was going to happen, for months. They knew because the projections provided no possibility otherwise. None.
It ended a few days ago for you and only you.
wrote on 22 Apr 2020, 23:13 last edited by@Aqua-Letifer said in Governors' stay-at-home orders are 'unconstitutional,' cases won't hold up in court:
@Copper said in Governors' stay-at-home orders are 'unconstitutional,' cases won't hold up in court:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Governors' stay-at-home orders are 'unconstitutional,' cases won't hold up in court:
It seems to me that certain conservatives have lost the 'Covid is just like the flu' argument,
And the 'Covid is no worse than the flu' argument ended a few days ago when deaths from COVID exceeded deaths from this year's flu. COVID wins.
There was an entire forum of people who knew that was going to happen, for months. They knew because the projections provided no possibility otherwise. None.
It ended a few days ago for you and only you.
You may recall when I first pointed out to you that the game was not yet over I told you that COVID would win.
The game isn't over until it is over. Sorry, it just isn't, no matter what an entire forum, including me, might predict.
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wrote on 22 Apr 2020, 23:15 last edited by
Okay, but that's a dangerous way of analyzing a situation with a three-week lag between what's reported and what's actually happening.
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wrote on 22 Apr 2020, 23:17 last edited by
It is a simple scoreboard.
It is exactly the same scoreboard that is used for every pandemic in the history of mankind.
It is simple, it only takes a moment.
It does not preclude any other analysis.
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wrote on 23 Apr 2020, 01:22 last edited by Doctor Phibes
I'm sure some people waited until the end of 1941 before finally concluding that the Nazis were really bad people.
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I'm sure some people waited until the end of 1941 before finally concluding that the Nazis were really bad people.
wrote on 23 Apr 2020, 01:33 last edited by@Doctor-Phibes said in Governors' stay-at-home orders are 'unconstitutional,' cases won't hold up in court:
I'm sure some people waited until the end of 1941 before finally concluding that the Nazis were really bad people.
Heck, even as recently as 2017 you got a statement like "you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides."
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Governors' stay-at-home orders are 'unconstitutional,' cases won't hold up in court:
I'm sure some people waited until the end of 1941 before finally concluding that the Nazis were really bad people.
Heck, even as recently as 2017 you got a statement like "you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides."
wrote on 23 Apr 2020, 11:14 last edited by George K@Axtremus said in Governors' stay-at-home orders are 'unconstitutional,' cases won't hold up in court:
Heck, even as recently as 2017 you got a statement like "you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides."
You do know the context of that quotation, don't you?
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wrote on 23 Apr 2020, 11:28 last edited by
That was definitely a case of fake news. It’s beyond clear that he was talking about both sides of the confederate statue issue, he wasn’t talk about the tiki wielding skinheads.
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@Axtremus said in Governors' stay-at-home orders are 'unconstitutional,' cases won't hold up in court:
Heck, even as recently as 2017 you got a statement like "you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides."
You do know the context of that quotation, don't you?
wrote on 23 Apr 2020, 12:35 last edited by@George-K said in Governors' stay-at-home orders are 'unconstitutional,' cases won't hold up in court:
@Axtremus said in Governors' stay-at-home orders are 'unconstitutional,' cases won't hold up in court:
Heck, even as recently as 2017 you got a statement like "you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides."
You do know the context of that quotation, don't you?
I'm sure he does, but it doesn't fit his narrative. As usual.
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wrote on 23 Apr 2020, 12:49 last edited by
I doubt he does.
Really, this is one the media has only ever distorted so people genuinely believe he was saying there were nice people among the tiki wielding demonstrators.