Meanwhile, in Ohio...
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Hopefully every last person in Sweden will die. It's the only way mankind will learn. And let's face it, the irony would be delicious.
#DieSwedes
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The reality is the country is going to open up again and people are going to die.
What the acceptable level of death is, seems to be the only real question. The easiest way to cut down on the number of points of view I suppose is to have one for each tribe.
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I wish the folks who talk about "life is precious is nonsense" and "acceptable level of death" would actually get specific on what's acceptable for them personally, and how comfortable they are throwing themselves and their loved ones into the lottery. Because it sounds like they're using the fact that there are going to be many more casualties as an excuse not to really care all that much, because economy.
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I wish the folks who talk about "life is precious is nonsense" and "acceptable level of death" would actually get specific on what's acceptable for them personally, and how comfortable they are throwing themselves and their loved ones into the lottery. Because it sounds like they're using the fact that there are going to be many more casualties as an excuse not to really care all that much, because economy.
@Aqua-Letifer said in Meanwhile, in Ohio...:
I wish the folks who talk about "life is precious is nonsense" and "acceptable level of death" would actually get specific on what's acceptable for them personally, and how comfortable they are throwing themselves and their loved ones into the lottery. Because it sounds like they're using the fact that there are going to be many more casualties as an excuse not to really care all that much, because economy.
Well you might have 300 million personal statements and if you pick the most extreme one we hide until a vaccine comes out. Otherwise people go out and then you will have death by definition...so it’s just a matter of how careful we build into the process. Inevitably we will hear no matter what when someone dies it was wrong.
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@Aqua-Letifer said in Meanwhile, in Ohio...:
I wish the folks who talk about "life is precious is nonsense" and "acceptable level of death" would actually get specific on what's acceptable for them personally, and how comfortable they are throwing themselves and their loved ones into the lottery. Because it sounds like they're using the fact that there are going to be many more casualties as an excuse not to really care all that much, because economy.
Well you might have 300 million personal statements and if you pick the most extreme one we hide until a vaccine comes out. Otherwise people go out and then you will have death by definition...so it’s just a matter of how careful we build into the process. Inevitably we will hear no matter what when someone dies it was wrong.
@Loki said in Meanwhile, in Ohio...:
@Aqua-Letifer said in Meanwhile, in Ohio...:
I wish the folks who talk about "life is precious is nonsense" and "acceptable level of death" would actually get specific on what's acceptable for them personally, and how comfortable they are throwing themselves and their loved ones into the lottery. Because it sounds like they're using the fact that there are going to be many more casualties as an excuse not to really care all that much, because economy.
Well you might have 300 million personal statements and if you pick the most extreme one we hide until a vaccine comes out. Otherwise people go out and then you will have death by definition...so it’s just a matter of how careful we build into the process. Inevitably we will hear no matter what when someone dies it was wrong.
Let's start with pie in the sky stuff: If everyone wore a mask, and I mean everyone, the R0 would be so far under 1 there'd be no problem at all with opening up tomorrow.
Here are the hangups with that plan: (1) folks who can't wear a mask due to the physical logistics of their job, health reasons perhaps, etc., and (2) fuckasses who refuse.
There are still a lot of things we can do for the folks in group #1 to keep them safe at work and in public. There's no excuse for group #2 but the problem is, they put everyone they meet at risk with their dumbfuckery.
So I say drop executive hammers down on #2--because it's either that or prolonged and indefinite quarantine, choose your tyranny to whine about, assholes--and let's open the country back up.
Please love yourself.
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In the imaginary world where we exactly knew the risk, why wouldn't the people who advocate for accepting the risk have blood on their hands when someone died, regardless of what that risk was? At what point does this rhetorical stuff about "real people dying, maybe someone you love, maybe you", actually stop being convincing? Accepting known exact risk is an impossible ideal for both sides of this discussion.
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In the imaginary world where we exactly knew the risk, why wouldn't the people who advocate for accepting the risk have blood on their hands when someone died, regardless of what that risk was? At what point does this rhetorical stuff about "real people dying, maybe someone you love, maybe you", actually stop being convincing? Accepting known exact risk is an impossible ideal for both sides of this discussion.
@Horace said in Meanwhile, in Ohio...:
"real people dying, maybe someone you love, maybe you", actually stop being convincing?
I don't know what you mean by that. "Convincing" in terms of how helpful it is making policy, or "convincing" in terms of you actually don't care?
Please love yourself.
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@Loki said in Meanwhile, in Ohio...:
@Aqua-Letifer said in Meanwhile, in Ohio...:
I wish the folks who talk about "life is precious is nonsense" and "acceptable level of death" would actually get specific on what's acceptable for them personally, and how comfortable they are throwing themselves and their loved ones into the lottery. Because it sounds like they're using the fact that there are going to be many more casualties as an excuse not to really care all that much, because economy.
Well you might have 300 million personal statements and if you pick the most extreme one we hide until a vaccine comes out. Otherwise people go out and then you will have death by definition...so it’s just a matter of how careful we build into the process. Inevitably we will hear no matter what when someone dies it was wrong.
Let's start with pie in the sky stuff: If everyone wore a mask, and I mean everyone, the R0 would be so far under 1 there'd be no problem at all with opening up tomorrow.
Here are the hangups with that plan: (1) folks who can't wear a mask due to the physical logistics of their job, health reasons perhaps, etc., and (2) fuckasses who refuse.
There are still a lot of things we can do for the folks in group #1 to keep them safe at work and in public. There's no excuse for group #2 but the problem is, they put everyone they meet at risk with their dumbfuckery.
So I say drop executive hammers down on #2--because it's either that or prolonged and indefinite quarantine, choose your tyranny to whine about, assholes--and let's open the country back up.
@Aqua-Letifer said in Meanwhile, in Ohio...:
@Loki said in Meanwhile, in Ohio...:
@Aqua-Letifer said in Meanwhile, in Ohio...:
I wish the folks who talk about "life is precious is nonsense" and "acceptable level of death" would actually get specific on what's acceptable for them personally, and how comfortable they are throwing themselves and their loved ones into the lottery. Because it sounds like they're using the fact that there are going to be many more casualties as an excuse not to really care all that much, because economy.
Well you might have 300 million personal statements and if you pick the most extreme one we hide until a vaccine comes out. Otherwise people go out and then you will have death by definition...so it’s just a matter of how careful we build into the process. Inevitably we will hear no matter what when someone dies it was wrong.
Let's start with pie in the sky stuff: If everyone wore a mask, and I mean everyone, the R0 would be so far under 1 there'd be no problem at all with opening up tomorrow.
Here are the hangups with that plan: (1) folks who can't wear a mask due to the physical logistics of their job, health reasons perhaps, etc., and (2) fuckasses who refuse.
There are still a lot of things we can do for the folks in group #1 to keep them safe at work and in public. There's no excuse for group #2 but the problem is, they put everyone they meet at risk with their dumbfuckery.
So I say drop executive hammers down on #2--because it's either that or prolonged and indefinite quarantine, choose your tyranny to whine about, assholes--and let's open the country back up.
That sounds like a good plan to me. Everybody wears masks, shaming and other more official punishments for those who don't. But that's still more risky than quarantining, and more people will die. It's just that the number of people using the "life is priceless" rhetoric will decrease. they will quietly choose to stop saying it, using internal calculations they probably couldn't put numbers to even if they wanted to.
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@Horace said in Meanwhile, in Ohio...:
"real people dying, maybe someone you love, maybe you", actually stop being convincing?
I don't know what you mean by that. "Convincing" in terms of how helpful it is making policy, or "convincing" in terms of you actually don't care?
@Aqua-Letifer said in Meanwhile, in Ohio...:
@Horace said in Meanwhile, in Ohio...:
"real people dying, maybe someone you love, maybe you", actually stop being convincing?
I don't know what you mean by that. "Convincing" in terms of how helpful it is making policy, or "convincing" in terms of you actually don't care?
There is only one side of this debate that is even potentially completely self-interested, and that's the quarantine-indefinitely crowd. At least the open-everything-back-up crowd are de facto throwing themselves into the risk pool.
Education is extremely important.
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@Aqua-Letifer said in Meanwhile, in Ohio...:
@Horace said in Meanwhile, in Ohio...:
"real people dying, maybe someone you love, maybe you", actually stop being convincing?
I don't know what you mean by that. "Convincing" in terms of how helpful it is making policy, or "convincing" in terms of you actually don't care?
There is only one side of this debate that is even potentially completely self-interested, and that's the quarantine-indefinitely crowd. At least the open-everything-back-up crowd are de facto throwing themselves into the risk pool.
@Horace said in Meanwhile, in Ohio...:
@Aqua-Letifer said in Meanwhile, in Ohio...:
@Horace said in Meanwhile, in Ohio...:
"real people dying, maybe someone you love, maybe you", actually stop being convincing?
I don't know what you mean by that. "Convincing" in terms of how helpful it is making policy, or "convincing" in terms of you actually don't care?
There is only one side of this debate that is even potentially completely self-interested, and that's the quarantine-indefinitely crowd. At least the open-everything-back-up crowd are de facto throwing themselves into the risk pool.
They're not, though. They comfort themselves with the delusion that they're exempt from dying. I've been assured of this by "friends" and several family members who are in the Open Everything Now camp. Like the guy who died in Ohio, they've assured me that they're going to be fine.
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@Horace said in Meanwhile, in Ohio...:
@Aqua-Letifer said in Meanwhile, in Ohio...:
@Horace said in Meanwhile, in Ohio...:
"real people dying, maybe someone you love, maybe you", actually stop being convincing?
I don't know what you mean by that. "Convincing" in terms of how helpful it is making policy, or "convincing" in terms of you actually don't care?
There is only one side of this debate that is even potentially completely self-interested, and that's the quarantine-indefinitely crowd. At least the open-everything-back-up crowd are de facto throwing themselves into the risk pool.
They're not, though. They comfort themselves with the delusion that they're exempt from dying. I've been assured of this by "friends" and several family members who are in the Open Everything Now camp. Like the guy who died in Ohio, they've assured me that they're going to be fine.
@Aqua-Letifer said in Meanwhile, in Ohio...:
Like the guy who died in Ohio, they've assured me that they're going to be fine.
Unlike the guy in Ohio, they have a better chance of being just fine.
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@Aqua-Letifer said in Meanwhile, in Ohio...:
Like the guy who died in Ohio, they've assured me that they're going to be fine.
Unlike the guy in Ohio, they have a better chance of being just fine.
@Copper said in Meanwhile, in Ohio...:
@Aqua-Letifer said in Meanwhile, in Ohio...:
Like the guy who died in Ohio, they've assured me that they're going to be fine.
Unlike the guy in Ohio, they have a better chance of being just fine.
That's right. This is a conspiracy.
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You tell me. I can't pretend to know why people don't take a pandemic seriously.
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Some people don't take anything seriously. Clowns, for example. They're constantly fucking jumping around with the big horns, and the stupid shoes and the painted on smile that disguises how they really look.
And then suddenly, it's 'we all float down here', and you're left wondering what the fucking joke was.
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