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  • JollyJ Offline
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    https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/04/press_does_the_gotcha_dance_over_trumptouted_nih_hydroxychloroquine_nonrecommendation_flunks_basic_reporting.html

    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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    • CopperC Online
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      Copper
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      Doctor Trump made a mistake.

      Doctors bury their mistakes.

      It goes with the territory.

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      • MikM Offline
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        There was hope. He expressed hope. But the French trial is not yet definitive I don't think.

        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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          https://www.nationalreview.com/news/va-study-of-anti-malarial-drug-shows-no-benefit-for-use-with-coronavirus-patients/

          “VA Study of Anti-Malarial Drug Shows No Benefit for Use with Coronavirus Patients
          ...
          Researchers found that 28 percent of patients given hydroxychloroquine died, while 11 percent died with normal care. Hydroxychloroquine did not have an effect on patients’ need for breathing medicine. The anti-malarial drug has been known to produce serious side effects including problems with heart rhythms.
          ...“

          The paper: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.16.20065920v1.full.pdf

          It’s only the VA, so who knows?

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          • jon-nycJ Online
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            I have never inserted my head in this issue at all, but I happened to notice a tweet the other day saying that Trump had been oddly silent on HCQ the previous few days. Maybe he had a heads up.

            Only non-witches get due process.

            • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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            • Doctor PhibesD Online
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              Doctor Phibes
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              On a completely unrelated note, I've got 200 kilos of fish-tank cleaner, going cheap, if anybody's interested.

              I was only joking

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              • L Offline
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                Loki
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                Trump went to war on this one, I suspect CNN.

                He won on vents and looks like he lost on this one.

                No one keeps score of course over the last 3.5 years.

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                • jon-nycJ Online
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                  jon-nyc
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                  #8

                  Like I said, I never had an opinion on HQA (still don’t, there will be more studies).

                  But re the politics of it, I thought it was characteristically irresponsible of Trump to tout it as enthusiastically as he did, and I thought it was characteristically irresponsible of the media to assume that just because Trump said it it would turn out to be false.

                  Only non-witches get due process.

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                  • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                    Like I said, I never had an opinion on HQA (still don’t, there will be more studies).

                    But re the politics of it, I thought it was characteristically irresponsible of Trump to tout it as enthusiastically as he did, and I thought it was characteristically irresponsible of the media to assume that just because Trump said it it would turn out to be false.

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                    @jon-nyc said in Gotcha!:

                    Like I said, I never had an opinion on HQA (still don’t, there will be more studies).

                    But re the politics of it, I thought it was characteristically irresponsible of Trump to tout it as enthusiastically as he did, and I thought it was characteristically irresponsible of the media to assume that just because Trump said it it would turn out to be false.

                    This.

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                    • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                      Like I said, I never had an opinion on HQA (still don’t, there will be more studies).

                      But re the politics of it, I thought it was characteristically irresponsible of Trump to tout it as enthusiastically as he did, and I thought it was characteristically irresponsible of the media to assume that just because Trump said it it would turn out to be false.

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                      @jon-nyc said in Gotcha!:

                      Like I said, I never had an opinion on HQA (still don’t, there will be more studies).

                      But re the politics of it, I thought it was characteristically irresponsible of Trump to tout it as enthusiastically as he did, and I thought it was characteristically irresponsible of the media to assume that just because Trump said it it would turn out to be false.

                      I agree 99%

                      Initially the drug was the only hope so it might have been important way back when to offer the oxygen mask and life preserver.

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                      • RainmanR Offline
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                        I would ask for it, anyway.

                        I'd ask them to bring me the pills along with some eggs and toast.

                        Are eggs good for you now? When I was a kid, eggs were like, poison. Then, it was "eat egg whites only." Then, it was eggs are good for you.

                        Oh, and also a cup of coffee. Maybe a glass of wine, if it's in the evening.

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                        • RainmanR Rainman

                          I would ask for it, anyway.

                          I'd ask them to bring me the pills along with some eggs and toast.

                          Are eggs good for you now? When I was a kid, eggs were like, poison. Then, it was "eat egg whites only." Then, it was eggs are good for you.

                          Oh, and also a cup of coffee. Maybe a glass of wine, if it's in the evening.

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                          Improviso
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                          Don't forget the bacon. Bacon is now on the good list.

                          We have the freedom to choose our actions, but we do not get to choose our consequences.
                          Yes, there are two paths you can go by, but in the long run, there's still time to change the road you're on.

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                          • CopperC Online
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                            @jon-nyc said in Gotcha!:

                            enthusiastically as he did, and I thought it was characteristically irresponsible of the media to assume that just because Trump s

                            And whiskey

                            Eggs, bacon, pills and whisky

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                              Doesn't the virus head for the lungs?

                              Breathalyzer tests work because the alcohol is partly breathed out in vapor form.

                              Alcohol meets virus in the lungs - bye, bye virus.

                              That's just my own observation, no Harvard study yet.

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                              • RainmanR Rainman

                                I would ask for it, anyway.

                                I'd ask them to bring me the pills along with some eggs and toast.

                                Are eggs good for you now? When I was a kid, eggs were like, poison. Then, it was "eat egg whites only." Then, it was eggs are good for you.

                                Oh, and also a cup of coffee. Maybe a glass of wine, if it's in the evening.

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                                Jolly
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                                @Rainman said in Gotcha!:

                                I would ask for it, anyway.

                                I'd ask them to bring me the pills along with some eggs and toast.

                                Are eggs good for you now? When I was a kid, eggs were like, poison. Then, it was "eat egg whites only." Then, it was eggs are good for you.

                                Oh, and also a cup of coffee. Maybe a glass of wine, if it's in the evening.

                                My SIL was quite ill. A hop, skip and a jump from the vent, ill. They put her on the cocktail and she turned around. Not dramatically, but turned around. Yes, that's anecdotal, but until something is proven to work, I'd take it.

                                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                  Like I said, I never had an opinion on HQA (still don’t, there will be more studies).

                                  But re the politics of it, I thought it was characteristically irresponsible of Trump to tout it as enthusiastically as he did, and I thought it was characteristically irresponsible of the media to assume that just because Trump said it it would turn out to be false.

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                                  @jon-nyc said in Gotcha!:

                                  Like I said, I never had an opinion on HQA (still don’t, there will be more studies).

                                  But re the politics of it, I thought it was characteristically irresponsible of Trump to tout it as enthusiastically as he did, and I thought it was characteristically irresponsible of the media to assume that just because Trump said it it would turn out to be false.

                                  Trump didn't "tout" it. That's the rhetorical language of the memetic narrative that the Left keeps playing back, as if he were a snake oil salesman peddling a miracle cure. And then of course it had to be because he was making money from investments in a pharma company that makes HCQ. Go back to the original presser (March 17, I think) when it was first mentioned -- he listed several hopeful directions for a cure.

                                  CQ/HCQ was also part of the S Korean recommendations from mid Feb.

                                  This "touting" is all political BS.

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                                  • jon-nycJ Online
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                                    as if he were a snake oil salesman peddling a miracle cure.

                                    Only non-witches get due process.

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                                    • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                      as if he were a snake oil salesman peddling a miracle cure.

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                                      @jon-nyc said in Gotcha!:

                                      as if he were a snake oil salesman peddling a miracle cure.


                                      Looks very much like Trump touted Hydroxychloroquine & Azithromycin.

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