And then what do we do?

[Jolly]

@Aqua-Letifer said in And then what do we do?:

@Jolly Here's another cold reality: it doesn't matter. The economy is going to take an epic pummeling no matter what we do.

Stay locked down? Tanked economy. Everybody go back to work? Shitloads of people get sick or die. Millions will be out of work for about a month. The toll on our health care systems would be incredible. Many of those out of work for their recovery will lose their jobs. Tanked economy.

There's pummeling and there's pummeling. Right now, we're running on government money, but that is not a long term option. As it is, I'm worried about hyperinflation, if this current situation causes massive harm to the dollar.

We don't go back to work and you're looking at Great Depression 2.

[Copper]

Wanna make some money?

We need a test that is fast enough and cheap enough that it can be used every day.

[Aqua Letifer]

@Jolly Okay, what do you suggest we do? What does "go back to work" mean?

[Loki]

Zeke was the guy who said everyone over 75 should die. I would love for him to reconcile that with his save the world thoughts.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2014/10/why-i-hope-to-die-at-75/379329/

[jon-nyc]

Patience, gentlemen. Easter is but four days away.

[LuFins Dad]

You need food to be raised, you need pharmaceuticals to be produced, you need equipment to be manufactured, you need these goods to be shipped and you need people to ship them, meaning you need vehicles, mechanics, fuel, automotive parts to keep the fleet running, warehouses, personnel, equipment. That equipment will need to be maintained... People are about to discover leaky roofs that will need replaced. I don’t think a 44 year old account executive is going to be able to do it himself, meaning he will need to hire people. He won’t be able to hire someone on the 1200 stimulus check.

3 month shutdown? Impossible So don’t waste your time worrying about what can’t and won’t happen and work towards mitigating what can and will happen.

[Jolly]

@Copper

That's coming. It's not new technology and I suspect if the patent can be waived on it, the wholesale price could be less than $1/test. That's out-the-door reportable.

[George K]

What a Prolonged Shutdown Will Cost in Human Life

A suicide spike is almost certain. One study in Taiwan indicated a 10% increase in the unemployment rate yielded approximately 30,000 suicides annually. Another global study linked the 2008 recession to a 20% to 30% increase in the relative risk of suicides.

We already had a suicide epidemic in this country before the virus, with nearly 50,000 Americans taking their own lives, and an additional estimated 1.4 million attempting to do so, in 2018 alone.

The Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis estimates over 52 million will be laid off just by the second quarter of 2020, for a 32.1% unemployment rate, far higher than Great Depression estimates of 20% to 25% unemployment. Should these predictions materialize, and if history can be our guide, we are going to lose tens of thousands of American lives to suicide ... or more, if these impacts of a three-month shutdown were extended to realize Emanuel’s plan of 12-18 months of shutdown.

After only a few weeks of lockdown, calls to crisis hotlines increased from 1,000 to 25,000 a day in Indiana and 8,900% (Los Angeles), with the latter reporting that one in five calls express “suicidal desire.”

Expect an increase in heart attacks, too. Disruption-related stress attacks the heart. The National Institutes of Health reported that just the one-hour, fully anticipated Daylight Savings Time change correlates with a 24% increase in daily acute myocardial infarction (“AMI” or “heart attack”). What will be the increase in heart attacks when the disruption to our lives is not just one hour, but instead 12 to 18 months?

[Aqua Letifer]

[Jolly]

Don't know about suicides, but I've read where the traffic on mental health hotlines has exploded.

[Aqua Letifer]

It absolutely has. I don't know too many psychologists (Jolly would prob'ly call them headshrinkers. Tell me I'm wrong! ), but they've all mentioned how freaking busy they are now with teleconferences with patients.

[Jolly]

@Aqua-Letifer said in And then what do we do?:

It absolutely has. I don't know too many psychologists (Jolly would prob'ly call them headshrinkers. Tell me I'm wrong! ), but they've all mentioned how freaking busy they are now with teleconferences with patients.

City living when you can't go anywhere is depressing.

[Aqua Letifer]

So's living by yourself under quarantine. Very few people are wired to be comfortable being in that kind of situation long-term.

[LuFins Dad]

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