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How will COVID change the workplace?

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  • M Away
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    Mik
    wrote on 22 Apr 2020, 12:41 last edited by
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    I can see some changes coming up not only to deal with this pandemic but to prepare for the next one - to vaccinate our economies so to speak.

    There will be ongoing changes in the workplace to assure social distancing. This may change industrial engineering, commercial real estate, HVAC and office furnishings dramatically.

    If any of this gets done manufacturing facilities will have to be larger, not people side by side. In HVAC I can see more aggressive airflow that draws exhaled air up or down - powered air returns.. Office cube spaces will change. Commercial real estate in general will have to be larger.

    What can you envision?

    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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      Aqua Letifer
      wrote on 22 Apr 2020, 12:43 last edited by
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      For office workers, the smart companies are going to invest hard into telework. Win for them, win for whom they hire. Related technology will boom.

      Please love yourself.

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        Mik
        wrote on 22 Apr 2020, 12:52 last edited by Mik
        #3

        Yep. Telemedicine too. Actually, teleeverything that can be done that way. I can see law offices, insurance, car buying to a degree

        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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        • M Mik
          22 Apr 2020, 12:52

          Yep. Telemedicine too. Actually, teleeverything that can be done that way. I can see law offices, insurance, car buying to a degree

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          George K
          wrote on 22 Apr 2020, 13:08 last edited by
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          @Mik said in How will COVID change the workplace?:

          Yep. Telemedicine too.
          Mrs. George was pushing telemedicine back in the mid 1990s. The technology was awful, but it was an area that was just beginning to take off.

          Remember CU-SeeMe? That was fun on dialup...

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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            Mik
            wrote on 22 Apr 2020, 13:09 last edited by
            #5

            Hmm. Can't say as I do.

            “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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              Axtremus
              wrote on 22 Apr 2020, 13:12 last edited by
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              Wonder what will happen to all those "shared space" businesses (e.g., WeWork and the like).
              Free lancers and big companies alike have figured out that they can just work from home, and it's hard to imagine "shared space" facilities supporting the sort of work that cannot be done from home anyway. The whole "shared space" sector is going to shrink significantly even after we have effective vaccines.

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                Mik
                wrote on 22 Apr 2020, 13:36 last edited by Mik
                #7

                That was always a rather limited market. A lot of the purpose was to give the illusion of substance to rather diaphanous enterprises. Both MFR and I looked into them but thought them too expensive for what they provided. Some of the incubator spaces were interesting.

                “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                • M Mik
                  22 Apr 2020, 13:36

                  That was always a rather limited market. A lot of the purpose was to give the illusion of substance to rather diaphanous enterprises. Both MFR and I looked into them but thought them too expensive for what they provided. Some of the incubator spaces were interesting.

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                  Aqua Letifer
                  wrote on 22 Apr 2020, 13:58 last edited by
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                  @Mik said in How will COVID change the workplace?:

                  That was always a rather limited market. A lot of the purpose was to give the illusion of substance to rather diaphanous enterprises. Both MFR and I looked into them but thought them too expensive for what they provided. Some of the incubator spaces were interesting.

                  Many of them touted "collaboration" and "meeting people across industries." But a ton of folks who were signing up for these places were freelancers: coders, graphic designers, writers, etc. So okay, you're working for a client on a website refresh, and the two folks sitting across from you are making infographics and editing white papers. Just what in the hell is so great about you three sitting across from one another? What could you possibly provide one another in that setting that you don't get from LinkedIn?

                  Please love yourself.

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                  • A Aqua Letifer
                    22 Apr 2020, 13:58

                    @Mik said in How will COVID change the workplace?:

                    That was always a rather limited market. A lot of the purpose was to give the illusion of substance to rather diaphanous enterprises. Both MFR and I looked into them but thought them too expensive for what they provided. Some of the incubator spaces were interesting.

                    Many of them touted "collaboration" and "meeting people across industries." But a ton of folks who were signing up for these places were freelancers: coders, graphic designers, writers, etc. So okay, you're working for a client on a website refresh, and the two folks sitting across from you are making infographics and editing white papers. Just what in the hell is so great about you three sitting across from one another? What could you possibly provide one another in that setting that you don't get from LinkedIn?

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                    Jolly
                    wrote on 22 Apr 2020, 14:43 last edited by
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                    @Aqua-Letifer said in How will COVID change the workplace?:

                    @Mik said in How will COVID change the workplace?:

                    That was always a rather limited market. A lot of the purpose was to give the illusion of substance to rather diaphanous enterprises. Both MFR and I looked into them but thought them too expensive for what they provided. Some of the incubator spaces were interesting.

                    Many of them touted "collaboration" and "meeting people across industries." But a ton of folks who were signing up for these places were freelancers: coders, graphic designers, writers, etc. So okay, you're working for a client on a website refresh, and the two folks sitting across from you are making infographics and editing white papers. Just what in the hell is so great about you three sitting across from one another? What could you possibly provide one another in that setting that you don't get from LinkedIn?

                    Social interaction?

                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

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                    • J Jolly
                      22 Apr 2020, 14:43

                      @Aqua-Letifer said in How will COVID change the workplace?:

                      @Mik said in How will COVID change the workplace?:

                      That was always a rather limited market. A lot of the purpose was to give the illusion of substance to rather diaphanous enterprises. Both MFR and I looked into them but thought them too expensive for what they provided. Some of the incubator spaces were interesting.

                      Many of them touted "collaboration" and "meeting people across industries." But a ton of folks who were signing up for these places were freelancers: coders, graphic designers, writers, etc. So okay, you're working for a client on a website refresh, and the two folks sitting across from you are making infographics and editing white papers. Just what in the hell is so great about you three sitting across from one another? What could you possibly provide one another in that setting that you don't get from LinkedIn?

                      Social interaction?

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                      Aqua Letifer
                      wrote on 22 Apr 2020, 15:19 last edited by
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                      @Jolly said in How will COVID change the workplace?:

                      @Aqua-Letifer said in How will COVID change the workplace?:

                      @Mik said in How will COVID change the workplace?:

                      That was always a rather limited market. A lot of the purpose was to give the illusion of substance to rather diaphanous enterprises. Both MFR and I looked into them but thought them too expensive for what they provided. Some of the incubator spaces were interesting.

                      Many of them touted "collaboration" and "meeting people across industries." But a ton of folks who were signing up for these places were freelancers: coders, graphic designers, writers, etc. So okay, you're working for a client on a website refresh, and the two folks sitting across from you are making infographics and editing white papers. Just what in the hell is so great about you three sitting across from one another? What could you possibly provide one another in that setting that you don't get from LinkedIn?

                      Social interaction?

                      Dude just go to a coffee shop. (Yeah yeah I know, not today. But we're talking about why shared workspaces became a business, not what to do today about COVID-19.) Be much, much cheaper. Or even better, team up with actual colleagues and start a collective.

                      Please love yourself.

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                      • M Mik
                        22 Apr 2020, 12:52

                        Yep. Telemedicine too. Actually, teleeverything that can be done that way. I can see law offices, insurance, car buying to a degree

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                        Improviso
                        wrote on 22 Apr 2020, 15:23 last edited by
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                        @Mik said in How will COVID change the workplace?:

                        Yep. Telemedicine too. Actually, teleeverything that can be done that way. I can see law offices, insurance, car buying to a degree

                        My wife works for a law firm and is working from home just fine.

                        The big losers in all of this will be commercial builders and owners of commercial real estate.

                        Most companies will find they can downsize their office spaces if telework actually does take off.

                        We have the freedom to choose our actions, but we do not get to choose our consequences.
                        Yes, there are two paths you can go by, but in the long run, there's still time to change the road you're on.

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                          Mik
                          wrote on 22 Apr 2020, 15:43 last edited by
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                          Yeah, Improv, but I have a sneaking suspicion that office space might have to expand for distancing, so all that real estate lost to telework may be taken up by new space requirements. The question is will American business take heed and try to make a pandemic-proof workspace. It is an investment, but certainly better than shutting down next time.

                          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                            Improviso
                            wrote on 22 Apr 2020, 15:44 last edited by
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                            Good point. May be a wash.

                            We have the freedom to choose our actions, but we do not get to choose our consequences.
                            Yes, there are two paths you can go by, but in the long run, there's still time to change the road you're on.

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                              Doctor Phibes
                              wrote on 22 Apr 2020, 15:55 last edited by
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                              Currently, our office building is partially leased to a health-care clinic - we own the building, but it's shared with a medical group.

                              I can see that being considered a little less attractive as a business arrangement than it once was.

                              I was only joking

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