The Curse of White Oil
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Nothing is ever free. Always not intended consequences when switching to new technologies.
I guess it depends if the consequences are worse than what is being replaced.
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Nothing is ever free. Always not intended consequences when switching to new technologies.
I guess it depends if the consequences are worse than what is being replaced.
@taiwan_girl said in The Curse of White Oil:
I guess it depends if the consequences are worse than what is being replaced.
Exactly.
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Despite the drawbacks, the advantage of electric cars is that it allows the focus to be on clean electric generation and reduces carbon emissions dramatically between vehicles and the emissions involved in distributing the fossil based fuels. I think it a necessary evolution.
I'm not a huge anthropomorphic climate change believer, but it still makes sense to me to be as environmentally neutral as possible.
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Despite the drawbacks, the advantage of electric cars is that it allows the focus to be on clean electric generation and reduces carbon emissions dramatically between vehicles and the emissions involved in distributing the fossil based fuels. I think it a necessary evolution.
I'm not a huge anthropomorphic climate change believer, but it still makes sense to me to be as environmentally neutral as possible.
@mik said in The Curse of White Oil:
Despite the drawbacks, the advantage of electric cars is that it allows the focus to be on clean electric generation and reduces carbon emissions dramatically between vehicles and the emissions involved in distributing the fossil based fuels. I think it a necessary evolution.
I'm not a huge anthropomorphic climate change believer, but it still makes sense to me to be as environmentally neutral as possible.
There are questions about how "carbon neutral" electric cars really are. When you consider the source of the electric in the US (coal), it becomes questionable.
Also the pollution of heavy metals and other stuff in batteries is going to become an issue.
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@mik said in The Curse of White Oil:
Despite the drawbacks, the advantage of electric cars is that it allows the focus to be on clean electric generation and reduces carbon emissions dramatically between vehicles and the emissions involved in distributing the fossil based fuels. I think it a necessary evolution.
I'm not a huge anthropomorphic climate change believer, but it still makes sense to me to be as environmentally neutral as possible.
There are questions about how "carbon neutral" electric cars really are. When you consider the source of the electric in the US (coal), it becomes questionable.
Also the pollution of heavy metals and other stuff in batteries is going to become an issue.
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The thing I find encouraging is for the most part the market is driving the change, not governmental decree.
@mik said in The Curse of White Oil:
The thing I find encouraging is for the most part the market is driving the change, not governmental decree.
The new green is coming
Get your wallet out
https://elizabethwarren.com/plans/climate-change
100% Clean Vehicles. Elizabeth will set bold standards for fuels and emissions and boost consumer demand for zero-emission vehicles by creating a “Clean Cars for Clunkers” program to replace fuel-inefficient cars. By 2030, we’ll reach 100% zero emissions for all new light-duty passenger vehicles, medium-duty trucks, and all buses.
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The solid-state battery is coming from Toyota:
https://asia.nikkei.com/content/4c8b11d1c65d83d23ba9aeb11030a947
A trip of 500 km on one charge. A recharge from zero to full in 10 minutes. All with minimal safety concerns. The solid-state battery being introduced by Toyota promises to be a game changer not just for electric vehicles but for an entire industry.
The technology is a potential cure-all for the drawbacks facing electric vehicles that run on conventional lithium-ion batteries, including the relatively short distance traveled on a single charge as well as charging times. Toyota plans to be the first company to sell an electric vehicle equipped with a solid-state battery in the early 2020s. The world's largest automaker will unveil a prototype next year.
The electric vehicles being developed by Toyota will have a range more than twice the distance of a vehicle running on a conventional lithium-ion battery under the same conditions. All accomplished without sacrificing interior space in even the most compact vehicle.
Solid-state batteries are expected to become a viable alternative to lithium-ion batteries that use aqueous electrolyte solutions. The innovation would lower the risk of fires, and multiply energy density, which measures the energy a battery can deliver compared to its weight.
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@mik said in The Curse of White Oil:
The thing I find encouraging is for the most part the market is driving the change, not governmental decree.
The new green is coming
Get your wallet out
https://elizabethwarren.com/plans/climate-change
100% Clean Vehicles. Elizabeth will set bold standards for fuels and emissions and boost consumer demand for zero-emission vehicles by creating a “Clean Cars for Clunkers” program to replace fuel-inefficient cars. By 2030, we’ll reach 100% zero emissions for all new light-duty passenger vehicles, medium-duty trucks, and all buses.
@copper said in The Curse of White Oil:
@mik said in The Curse of White Oil:
The thing I find encouraging is for the most part the market is driving the change, not governmental decree.
The new green is coming
Get your wallet out
https://elizabethwarren.com/plans/climate-change
100% Clean Vehicles. Elizabeth will set bold standards for fuels and emissions and boost consumer demand for zero-emission vehicles by creating a “Clean Cars for Clunkers” program to replace fuel-inefficient cars. By 2030, we’ll reach 100% zero emissions for all new light-duty passenger vehicles, medium-duty trucks, and all buses.
I have a little different perspective on that based on the switch to unleaded gas in 1975. The difference it has made in the air in the LA area is huge and quite visible. It's a success story. I think it will be here too, and the companies have seen it coming before the government has had time to act. There's a huge amount of market demand for this.
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This table is interesting
