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  • jon-nycJ Offline
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    jon-nyc
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    #1

    https://www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/articles/2020-12-12/swedish-covid-workers-are-quitting-leaving-icus-short-staffed?__twitter_impression=true

    You were warned.

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    • George KG Offline
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      George K
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      @jon-nyc said in Massive attrition in Swedish healthcare staff as ICU hits 99% capacity:

      https://www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/articles/2020-12-12/swedish-covid-workers-are-quitting-leaving-icus-short-staffed?__twitter_impression=true

      the bigger concern now is whether Sweden has enough health-care workers

      As we've discussed, you can have all the ventilators in the world. With the staff, they're just heavy doorstops.

      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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        500 staff quitting per week means that every 7 days a hospital goes ‘poof’.

        You were warned.

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        • JollyJ Offline
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          #4

          But I thought Sweden was a leader on COVID?

          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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            #5

            Part of the problem is that nurses in particular are increasingly unwilling to subject themselves to the hours and conditions facing them during the Covid crisis, given the average pay level. Sara Nordin, once an assistant nurse at an intensive care unit, told Bloomberg in October that she quit because she couldn’t make ends meet on the $33,600 basic pay she got a year.

            Sweden is expensive.

            You were warned.

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            • JollyJ Offline
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              Jolly
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              #6

              A RN down here would laugh in your face over that salary.

              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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              • JollyJ Offline
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                Jolly
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                #7

                The state is notorious for low starting salaries. Currently in Louisiana:

                Registered Nurse 1-3
                Salary Range
                $3,380.00 - $6,379.00 Monthly

                That's $3380/month to start, but later in the description, the job has a $2012 SER which brings the starting total to $42,572.

                But wait, there's more!

                A RN 1 transitions to a RN 2 at twelve months, when probation ends. At that point you receive a 7% raise. Twelve months from that date, you will receive a step increase of 4%. Keep your nose clean, do your job and in another 12 months you will transition to a RN 3, with another 7% raise.

                I'm too lazy to do the math, but you can cipher what a nurse with three years experience makes, and she will also have the benefits of accrued time off, decent health insurance, a defined benefit pension and access to an additional 457.

                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                • JollyJ Jolly

                  The state is notorious for low starting salaries. Currently in Louisiana:

                  Registered Nurse 1-3
                  Salary Range
                  $3,380.00 - $6,379.00 Monthly

                  That's $3380/month to start, but later in the description, the job has a $2012 SER which brings the starting total to $42,572.

                  But wait, there's more!

                  A RN 1 transitions to a RN 2 at twelve months, when probation ends. At that point you receive a 7% raise. Twelve months from that date, you will receive a step increase of 4%. Keep your nose clean, do your job and in another 12 months you will transition to a RN 3, with another 7% raise.

                  I'm too lazy to do the math, but you can cipher what a nurse with three years experience makes, and she will also have the benefits of accrued time off, decent health insurance, a defined benefit pension and access to an additional 457.

                  George KG Offline
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                  @jolly about $50K plus bennies.

                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                  • George KG George K

                    @jolly about $50K plus bennies.

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                    @George-K said in Massive attrition in Swedish healthcare staff as ICU hits 99% capacity:

                    @jolly about $50K plus bennies.

                    And that's where it really gets interesting. Any competent nurse can make RN 3. After that, it goes to lower level management, then mid-level, then DON and Assistant -DON. Some nurses also take branch off jobs, such as Infection Control or Education.

                    If they're stuck at RN 3, though, it's not horrible. Annual step increases at 4%/year (providing the state has the funds) will continue, until the top of the range is reached.

                    Retirement used to be at 30 years, any age, at 2.5% of average salary over highest 36 months
                    (that's the max with no survivor benefits). Retirement is now at age 60, with years service x 2% of average salary over highest 60 months.

                    So, if you went to work at 22 and could stand it, theoretically you'd retire at 60-month average comp x 76%, until you died and benefits ceased. Alternatively, you could take a 5% cut and your spouse would receive 50% benefits until his/her death. Take a 10% cut and they would get the same check as you.

                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                    • JollyJ Jolly

                      But I thought Sweden was a leader on COVID?

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                      @Jolly said in Massive attrition in Swedish healthcare staff as ICU hits 99% capacity:

                      But I thought Sweden was a leader on COVID?

                      As a nation state, Sweden led the way in trying to stop COVID only with "herd immunity," they let life went on as normal with no movement restriction, no crowd size restriction, no closure of schools and businesses, no mask mandate. In that sense Sweden was a "leader" on COVID-19, and we are seeing the results of it.

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                        #11

                        The graph in the article is all wrong. Like dead wrong as in old. Sweden cases are in decline and deaths have halved.

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                        • L Loki

                          The graph in the article is all wrong. Like dead wrong as in old. Sweden cases are in decline and deaths have halved.

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                          @loki said in Massive attrition in Swedish healthcare staff as ICU hits 99% capacity:

                          The graph in the article is all wrong. Like dead wrong as in old. Sweden cases are in decline and deaths have halved.

                          Screen Shot 2020-12-13 at 10.58.45 AM.png

                          Screen Shot 2020-12-13 at 10.58.33 AM.png

                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                          • George KG George K

                            @loki said in Massive attrition in Swedish healthcare staff as ICU hits 99% capacity:

                            The graph in the article is all wrong. Like dead wrong as in old. Sweden cases are in decline and deaths have halved.

                            Screen Shot 2020-12-13 at 10.58.45 AM.png

                            Screen Shot 2020-12-13 at 10.58.33 AM.png

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                            Loki
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                            #13

                            @george-k

                            Look at cases and deaths by day and apply the 7 day moving average.

                            https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/

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                            • L Loki

                              @george-k

                              Look at cases and deaths by day and apply the 7 day moving average.

                              https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/

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                              wrote on last edited by
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                              @loki Screen Shot 2020-12-13 at 11.53.43 AM.png

                              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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