The French HCQ Report

[Doctor Phibes]

If Trump managed to read that out loud in one go I for one would be fucking amazed

[Jolly]

@Doctor-Phibes said in The French HCQ Report:

If Trump managed to read that out loud in one go I for one would be fucking amazed

Hell, if Trump quoted it from memory, you'd still find fault with it...

[Loki]

Is HCQ more dangerous and less effective than a vent?

[Jolly]

@Loki said in The French HCQ Report:

Is HCQ more dangerous and less effective than a vent?

No and we're studying that.

[George K]

@Loki said in The French HCQ Report:

Is HCQ more dangerous and less effective than a vent?

Being on a ventilator has a 50-75% mortality. It's not that the ventilator causes this, of course. I doubt that HCQ has that kind of problem.

Remember, the ventilator is not therapeutic. It is only a stopgap until you get better (or die).

[LuFins Dad]

@Loki said in The French HCQ Report:

Is HCQ more dangerous and less effective than a vent?

"No cardiac toxicity was observed." " mortality rate of 0.5%, in elderly patients."

Looks game-changing to me.

[George K]

@LuFins-Dad said in The French HCQ Report:

@Loki said in The French HCQ Report:

Is HCQ more dangerous and less effective than a vent?

"No cardiac toxicity was observed." " mortality rate of 0.5%, in elderly patients."

Looks game-changing to me.

I know.

But, the old saw applies, "If it looks too good to be true..."

[George K]

@George-K said in The French HCQ Report:

But, the old saw applies, "If it looks too good to be true..."

No benefit:

A malaria drug widely touted by President Donald Trump for treating the new coronavirus showed no benefit in a large analysis of its use in U.S. veterans hospitals. There were more deaths among those given hydroxychloroquine versus standard care, researchers reported.

The nationwide study was not a rigorous experiment. But with 368 patients, it’s the largest look so far of hydroxychloroquine with or without the antibiotic azithromycin for COVID-19, which has killed more than 171,000 people as of Tuesday.

The study was posted on an online site for researchers and has has not been reviewed by other scientists. Grants from the National Institutes of Health and the University of Virginia paid for the work.

Researchers analyzed medical records of 368 male veterans hospitalized with confirmed coronavirus infection at Veterans Health Administration medical centers who died or were discharged by April 11.

About 28% who were given hydroxychloroquine plus usual care died, versus 11% of those getting routine care alone. About 22% of those getting the drug plus azithromycin died too, but the difference between that group and usual care was not considered large enough to rule out other factors that could have affected survival.

Hydroxychloroquine made no difference in the need for a breathing machine, either.

Researchers did not track side effects, but noted a hint that hydroxychloroquine might have damaged other organs. The drug has long been known to have potentially serious side effects, including altering the heartbeat in a way that could lead to sudden death.

[Copper]

Wouldn't the ones who received it be the ones most likely to die?

Were they more desperate and willing to take the chance?

[Rainman]

Watch, here it comes:

"But over here, we have this reeeeely expensive pill that shows promise."

[Jolly]

@Rainman said in The French HCQ Report:

Watch, here it comes:

"But over here, we have this reeeeely expensive pill that shows promise."

Smart man.