Georgia with an interesting experiment
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It's a good question, I was going to start a thread on it.
It seems like there are some businesses where you can match reasonable economics with reasonable safety, in principle at least.
(I say in principle, because I don't know how good our grasp is on the efficacy of particular social distancing and sanitization measures in particular environments, but let's set that aside for now. Also, different people will have different views on what constitutes 'reasonable' safety. Let's set that aside too)
Some business can probably operate with reasonable constraints and be economically viable. This is the best of both worlds. Your average local hardware store might well be in this category. People usually need something enough to be willing to stand in line if they need to, and the business model doesn't require high traffic to pay the rent.
Other businesses aren't so easy. A bad example would be sit-down restaurants in Manhattan or movie theatres. There may well no set of guidelines that would give reasonable safety to the clientele and support the economics of the business. This could put you in the worst of both worlds, where we create a significant disease vector and the business still isn't viable.
I would say gyms are firmly in the latter camp. In practice at least, since demand for them is concentrated at certain times.
Only non-witches get due process.
- Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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It's a good question, I was going to start a thread on it.
It seems like there are some businesses where you can match reasonable economics with reasonable safety, in principle at least.
(I say in principle, because I don't know how good our grasp is on the efficacy of particular social distancing and sanitization measures in particular environments, but let's set that aside for now. Also, different people will have different views on what constitutes 'reasonable' safety. Let's set that aside too)
Some business can probably operate with reasonable constraints and be economically viable. This is the best of both worlds. Your average local hardware store might well be in this category. People usually need something enough to be willing to stand in line if they need to, and the business model doesn't require high traffic to pay the rent.
Other businesses aren't so easy. A bad example would be sit-down restaurants in Manhattan or movie theatres. There may well no set of guidelines that would give reasonable safety to the clientele and support the economics of the business. This could put you in the worst of both worlds, where we create a significant disease vector and the business still isn't viable.
I would say gyms are firmly in the latter camp. In practice at least, since demand for them is concentrated at certain times.
Love the worst of both worlds comment. But thinking about what’s opening I see employment for those on the low end of the pay scale, I see not lots of traffic/high density mobilization of the public and gyms in particular can start charging their subscriptions again?
Theaters- that just strange but must fit a category.
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I also see an adverse selection problem. The gyms and movie theaters could open tomorrow and I bet very few people here would start going.
The people who self-select to hit the gym would be those who have been less concerned about social distancing in the first place. They're probably some of the same people that Jolly described in WalMart.
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Gyms are a weird case too because of their subscription models and the way they make it a little hard to cancel.
I quit my gym a couple weeks early. I'm guessing a lot of people never did, but the gyms quit charging the when they had to close.
If they could reopen tomorrow, they'd immediately start charging everyone, despite the fact that most wouldn't come. It would take time for their revenue to decline, and many people who were afraid to go might never bother canceling. (just like at any time other than January some huge percentage of gym members don't go but still get charged every month)
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It's a good question, I was going to start a thread on it.
It seems like there are some businesses where you can match reasonable economics with reasonable safety, in principle at least.
(I say in principle, because I don't know how good our grasp is on the efficacy of particular social distancing and sanitization measures in particular environments, but let's set that aside for now. Also, different people will have different views on what constitutes 'reasonable' safety. Let's set that aside too)
Some business can probably operate with reasonable constraints and be economically viable. This is the best of both worlds. Your average local hardware store might well be in this category. People usually need something enough to be willing to stand in line if they need to, and the business model doesn't require high traffic to pay the rent.
Other businesses aren't so easy. A bad example would be sit-down restaurants in Manhattan or movie theatres. There may well no set of guidelines that would give reasonable safety to the clientele and support the economics of the business. This could put you in the worst of both worlds, where we create a significant disease vector and the business still isn't viable.
I would say gyms are firmly in the latter camp. In practice at least, since demand for them is concentrated at certain times.
@jon-nyc said in Georgia with an interesting experiment:
It's a good question, I was going to start a thread on it.
It seems like there are some businesses where you can match reasonable economics with reasonable safety, in principle at least.
(I say in principle, because I don't know how good our grasp is on the efficacy of particular social distancing and sanitization measures in particular environments, but let's set that aside for now. Also, different people will have different views on what constitutes 'reasonable' safety. Let's set that aside too)
Some business can probably operate with reasonable constraints and be economically viable. This is the best of both worlds. Your average local hardware store might well be in this category. People usually need something enough to be willing to stand in line if they need to, and the business model doesn't require high traffic to pay the rent.
Other businesses aren't so easy. A bad example would be sit-down restaurants in Manhattan or movie theatres. There may well no set of guidelines that would give reasonable safety to the clientele and support the economics of the business. This could put you in the worst of both worlds, where we create a significant disease vector and the business still isn't viable.
I would say gyms are firmly in the latter camp. In practice at least, since demand for them is concentrated at certain times.
Hardware stores here offer curbside services. Order it online or call and tell them what you need.
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If I were governor I would not have done this at this time. There was no need to have it be yesterday, except for politics. Could have easily been May 1 or could have started with things relating to the shore and islands. That said it does offer to the poor and minorities a reopening of their community which no one is talking about yet.
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@jon-nyc said in Georgia with an interesting experiment:
It's a good question, I was going to start a thread on it.
It seems like there are some businesses where you can match reasonable economics with reasonable safety, in principle at least.
(I say in principle, because I don't know how good our grasp is on the efficacy of particular social distancing and sanitization measures in particular environments, but let's set that aside for now. Also, different people will have different views on what constitutes 'reasonable' safety. Let's set that aside too)
Some business can probably operate with reasonable constraints and be economically viable. This is the best of both worlds. Your average local hardware store might well be in this category. People usually need something enough to be willing to stand in line if they need to, and the business model doesn't require high traffic to pay the rent.
Other businesses aren't so easy. A bad example would be sit-down restaurants in Manhattan or movie theatres. There may well no set of guidelines that would give reasonable safety to the clientele and support the economics of the business. This could put you in the worst of both worlds, where we create a significant disease vector and the business still isn't viable.
I would say gyms are firmly in the latter camp. In practice at least, since demand for them is concentrated at certain times.
Hardware stores here offer curbside services. Order it online or call and tell them what you need.
@Jolly Yeah, but hardware stores still need that impulse sale. That means in store traffic.
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This being the US, if Georgia experiences a large increase in illness, what are the chances that the Governor gets his ass sued?
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This being the US, if Georgia experiences a large increase in illness, what are the chances that the Governor gets his ass sued?
@Doctor-Phibes said in Georgia with an interesting experiment:
This being the US, if Georgia experiences a large increase in illness, what are the chances that the Governor gets his ass sued?
No chance at all. Phibes, this is America, and if we want to express our God-given right to put others in hospital because we don't want to wear face coverings like them damn antifa, that is our prerogative! You don't get to tell me that I need to keep other people safe, that's commie shit.
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The Georgia governor's tweet about this started with
"Due to favorable data & more testing..."
What data?
I think it is good that this process is starting. I hope there is some reasonable objective criteria, but I don't know what it is.
Also the opening doesn't happen until Friday so there is time to slow down or change course.
The idea that nobody will get sick if you yell and insult people enough cannot be the basis of our policy.
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It might be worth asking how many people in Georgia go to the gym.
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It might be worth asking how many people in Georgia go to the gym.
@Doctor-Phibes said in Georgia with an interesting experiment:
It might be worth asking how many people in Georgia go to the gym.
Some guys do...
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Opening some of the highest risk stuff Friday and Monday. Gyms , restaurants, nail places, theaters.
Governor DeWine has been seen as the reasoned approach. Is everyone good with businesses re-opening in Ohio on May 1?
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Governor DeWine has been seen as the reasoned approach. Is everyone good with businesses re-opening in Ohio on May 1?
@Loki said in Georgia with an interesting experiment:
Governor DeWine has been seen as the reasoned approach. Is everyone good with businesses re-opening in Ohio on May 1?
People can look at the same facts and reach different conclusions
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Governor DeWine has been seen as the reasoned approach. Is everyone good with businesses re-opening in Ohio on May 1?
@Loki said in Georgia with an interesting experiment:
Governor DeWine has been seen as the reasoned approach. Is everyone good with businesses re-opening in Ohio on May 1?
I haven't seen the details. Its not really about a date, its about the preparations and the details of what's being opened and how. I would imagine, based on how I've seen him operate so far, that he has a coherent plan driving the date. But again, I haven't seen the details.
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Only non-witches get due process.
- Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
