Safe vs Dangerous in LA
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@Loki said in Safe vs Dangerous in LA:
other being one venue is mostly for fun and the other mostly for work.
Both are for work. It might be argued that the movie crap isn't imperative (therefore "for fun"), but that would depend on a lot.
wrote on 5 Dec 2020, 20:54 last edited by@Aqua-Letifer said in Safe vs Dangerous in LA:
@Loki said in Safe vs Dangerous in LA:
other being one venue is mostly for fun and the other mostly for work.
Both are for work. It might be argued that the movie crap isn't imperative (therefore "for fun"), but that would depend on a lot.
I was talking about the clientele not the workers put out to the street.
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@Loki said in Safe vs Dangerous in LA:
and the other mostly for essential work
There. We can't go without movies. That would be horrible.
wrote on 5 Dec 2020, 20:55 last edited by@George-K said in Safe vs Dangerous in LA:
@Loki said in Safe vs Dangerous in LA:
and the other mostly for essential work
There. We can't go without movies. That would be horrible.
It would lead to an assload more people unemployed than the woman's business. Just sayin'.
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@Aqua-Letifer said in Safe vs Dangerous in LA:
@Loki said in Safe vs Dangerous in LA:
other being one venue is mostly for fun and the other mostly for work.
Both are for work. It might be argued that the movie crap isn't imperative (therefore "for fun"), but that would depend on a lot.
I was talking about the clientele not the workers put out to the street.
wrote on 5 Dec 2020, 21:46 last edited by@Loki said in Safe vs Dangerous in LA:
@Aqua-Letifer said in Safe vs Dangerous in LA:
@Loki said in Safe vs Dangerous in LA:
other being one venue is mostly for fun and the other mostly for work.
Both are for work. It might be argued that the movie crap isn't imperative (therefore "for fun"), but that would depend on a lot.
I was talking about the clientele not the workers put out to the street.
I don't see how that's in any way material. Her employees' jobs aren't less important because their clientele are there "for fun," any more than the movie production company and its employees aren't important because "all they do is make movies." You have a small-ass patio that's essential to keep open so that the woman's business doesn't go under. You have a shitload of tents set up for a movie production company that arguably don't need to be, because you can find other logistical means to feed your staff.
(Honestly, what the production company should do is hire the woman for catering. Everybody's happy.)
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@George-K said in Safe vs Dangerous in LA:
@Loki said in Safe vs Dangerous in LA:
and the other mostly for essential work
There. We can't go without movies. That would be horrible.
It would lead to an assload more people unemployed than the woman's business. Just sayin'.
wrote on 5 Dec 2020, 23:15 last edited by@Aqua-Letifer said in Safe vs Dangerous in LA:
@George-K said in Safe vs Dangerous in LA:
@Loki said in Safe vs Dangerous in LA:
and the other mostly for essential work
There. We can't go without movies. That would be horrible.
It would lead to an assload more people unemployed than the woman's business. Just sayin'.
Cumulatively in LA? I doubt it.
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@Aqua-Letifer said in Safe vs Dangerous in LA:
@George-K said in Safe vs Dangerous in LA:
@Loki said in Safe vs Dangerous in LA:
and the other mostly for essential work
There. We can't go without movies. That would be horrible.
It would lead to an assload more people unemployed than the woman's business. Just sayin'.
Cumulatively in LA? I doubt it.
wrote on 5 Dec 2020, 23:30 last edited by@Mik said in Safe vs Dangerous in LA:
@Aqua-Letifer said in Safe vs Dangerous in LA:
@George-K said in Safe vs Dangerous in LA:
@Loki said in Safe vs Dangerous in LA:
and the other mostly for essential work
There. We can't go without movies. That would be horrible.
It would lead to an assload more people unemployed than the woman's business. Just sayin'.
Cumulatively in LA? I doubt it.
No, just her business. As for total restaurants vs. total movie crew, probably you're right? I have no idea.
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@Loki said in Safe vs Dangerous in LA:
@Aqua-Letifer said in Safe vs Dangerous in LA:
@Loki said in Safe vs Dangerous in LA:
other being one venue is mostly for fun and the other mostly for work.
Both are for work. It might be argued that the movie crap isn't imperative (therefore "for fun"), but that would depend on a lot.
I was talking about the clientele not the workers put out to the street.
I don't see how that's in any way material. Her employees' jobs aren't less important because their clientele are there "for fun," any more than the movie production company and its employees aren't important because "all they do is make movies." You have a small-ass patio that's essential to keep open so that the woman's business doesn't go under. You have a shitload of tents set up for a movie production company that arguably don't need to be, because you can find other logistical means to feed your staff.
(Honestly, what the production company should do is hire the woman for catering. Everybody's happy.)
wrote on 6 Dec 2020, 01:31 last edited by@Aqua-Letifer said in Safe vs Dangerous in LA:
@Loki said in Safe vs Dangerous in LA:
@Aqua-Letifer said in Safe vs Dangerous in LA:
@Loki said in Safe vs Dangerous in LA:
other being one venue is mostly for fun and the other mostly for work.
Both are for work. It might be argued that the movie crap isn't imperative (therefore "for fun"), but that would depend on a lot.
I was talking about the clientele not the workers put out to the street.
I don't see how that's in any way material. Her employees' jobs aren't less important because their clientele are there "for fun," any more than the movie production company and its employees aren't important because "all they do is make movies." You have a small-ass patio that's essential to keep open so that the woman's business doesn't go under. You have a shitload of tents set up for a movie production company that arguably don't need to be, because you can find other logistical means to feed your staff.
(Honestly, what the production company should do is hire the woman for catering. Everybody's happy.)
Great. What about the Food Service people hired to take care of the production staff?
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@Aqua-Letifer said in Safe vs Dangerous in LA:
@Loki said in Safe vs Dangerous in LA:
@Aqua-Letifer said in Safe vs Dangerous in LA:
@Loki said in Safe vs Dangerous in LA:
other being one venue is mostly for fun and the other mostly for work.
Both are for work. It might be argued that the movie crap isn't imperative (therefore "for fun"), but that would depend on a lot.
I was talking about the clientele not the workers put out to the street.
I don't see how that's in any way material. Her employees' jobs aren't less important because their clientele are there "for fun," any more than the movie production company and its employees aren't important because "all they do is make movies." You have a small-ass patio that's essential to keep open so that the woman's business doesn't go under. You have a shitload of tents set up for a movie production company that arguably don't need to be, because you can find other logistical means to feed your staff.
(Honestly, what the production company should do is hire the woman for catering. Everybody's happy.)
Great. What about the Food Service people hired to take care of the production staff?
wrote on 6 Dec 2020, 01:36 last edited by@LuFins-Dad said in Safe vs Dangerous in LA:
Great. What about the Food Service people hired to take care of the production staff?
I know very little about movie-making, but what I do know bleeds a little bit into what I know about food service; once you do catering work for one production, and you don't suck, word gets around that you're a catering option. Very slim chance this one contract is going to break the bank for that catering company. (They're tied into essential business, after all.) The woman's business, on the other hand, is on the verge of bankruptcy.
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wrote on 6 Dec 2020, 02:47 last edited by
@George-K said in Safe vs Dangerous in LA:
But the movies, man. The movies!
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I do not think the "movie business" is "essential" at all. So if there is an order to close "unessential" businesses, the movie business should be closed too.
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Specific to the outdoor dining tents, there may be crucial differences that set the movie company's dining tents apart from the typical restaurateurs' dining tents, and those differences may be in rules and procedures that a "company" can enforce on their crew/employees but a "restaurant" cannot enforce on its patrons. E.g., an "employer" can enforce mandatory temperature checks on every one before every shift, an "employer" can threaten dismissal for rule violations, an "employer" can setoff their employees/contractors rules that are stricter than the state or municipality ... in short, "employers" have more leverages to set stricter rules and to enforce those rules than what a typical restaurateur can do with their general public clientele. Of course I do not know for sure whether this is indeed the case in this specific instance, but it is conceivable.
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wrote on 6 Dec 2020, 02:52 last edited by
The question is how do most people spend all their quarantine time. Streaming shows perhaps?
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wrote on 6 Dec 2020, 03:26 last edited by
@Loki said in Safe vs Dangerous in LA:
The question is how do most people spend all their quarantine time. Streaming shows perhaps?
They can also read, practice their singing or musical instruments, and solve puzzles.
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@George-K said in Safe vs Dangerous in LA:
But the movies, man. The movies!
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I do not think the "movie business" is "essential" at all. So if there is an order to close "unessential" businesses, the movie business should be closed too.
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Specific to the outdoor dining tents, there may be crucial differences that set the movie company's dining tents apart from the typical restaurateurs' dining tents, and those differences may be in rules and procedures that a "company" can enforce on their crew/employees but a "restaurant" cannot enforce on its patrons. E.g., an "employer" can enforce mandatory temperature checks on every one before every shift, an "employer" can threaten dismissal for rule violations, an "employer" can setoff their employees/contractors rules that are stricter than the state or municipality ... in short, "employers" have more leverages to set stricter rules and to enforce those rules than what a typical restaurateur can do with their general public clientele. Of course I do not know for sure whether this is indeed the case in this specific instance, but it is conceivable.
wrote on 6 Dec 2020, 05:53 last edited by@Axtremus said in Safe vs Dangerous in LA:
I do not think the "movie business" is "essential" at all. So if there is an order to close "unessential" businesses, the movie business should be closed too.
Says the guy who regularly posts movie and YouTube recommendations for what he's seen recently. Practice what you preach, Ax. Otherwise you're helplessly full of shit.
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@Axtremus said in Safe vs Dangerous in LA:
I do not think the "movie business" is "essential" at all. So if there is an order to close "unessential" businesses, the movie business should be closed too.
Says the guy who regularly posts movie and YouTube recommendations for what he's seen recently. Practice what you preach, Ax. Otherwise you're helplessly full of shit.
wrote on 6 Dec 2020, 12:40 last edited by@Aqua-Letifer said in Safe vs Dangerous in LA:
@Axtremus said in Safe vs Dangerous in LA:
I do not think the "movie business" is "essential" at all. So if there is an order to close "unessential" businesses, the movie business should be closed too.
Says the guy who regularly posts movie and YouTube recommendations for what he's seen recently. Practice what you preach, Ax. Otherwise you're helplessly full of shit.
The movies I linked to are old content, reruns. No COVID-19 driven regulations were violated in the making of those reruns. The newer short videos I linked to were produced by one-person studios that, e.g., videos explaining certain mathematical concept or physical phenomenon that, again, were produced without violating COVID-19 rules.
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@Aqua-Letifer said in Safe vs Dangerous in LA:
@Axtremus said in Safe vs Dangerous in LA:
I do not think the "movie business" is "essential" at all. So if there is an order to close "unessential" businesses, the movie business should be closed too.
Says the guy who regularly posts movie and YouTube recommendations for what he's seen recently. Practice what you preach, Ax. Otherwise you're helplessly full of shit.
The movies I linked to are old content, reruns. No COVID-19 driven regulations were violated in the making of those reruns. The newer short videos I linked to were produced by one-person studios that, e.g., videos explaining certain mathematical concept or physical phenomenon that, again, were produced without violating COVID-19 rules.
wrote on 6 Dec 2020, 15:08 last edited by@Axtremus said in Safe vs Dangerous in LA:
The movies I linked to are old content, reruns. No COVID-19 driven regulations were violated in the making of those reruns.
So movies are no longer movies when they become old movies. Got it.
one-person studios
Prove it.
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wrote on 6 Dec 2020, 16:40 last edited by
Have you seen the valuations of HBO Max, Netflix, Hulu, Disney+, all the people cutting the cable cord and going to streaming? New content is the lifeblood of these 100’s of billions of dollar bets being made. I’m sure employment is in the millions.
What part of “essential” is being questioned?