How bad is the pandemic? Look at hospitalizations.
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Well you know Jolly there was a pandemic and 30% unemployment. That might well have spurred the FDA as much as any nasty tweet.
@jon-nyc said in How bad is the pandemic? Look at hospitalizations.:
Well you know Jolly there was a pandemic and 30% unemployment. That might well have spurred the FDA as much as any nasty tweet.
Bullshit. Pure partisan bullshit.
Remember, toots, I was dodging feces from AIDS patients when you were still trying to figure out how to depth-charge a beer in college. Or maybe that was high school. Did you know tests were available on automated platforms, platforms that were being used in the U.S., but the FDA would not let us have the tests? The Europeans were running them by the hundreds of thousands, by the millions, and all we could do was grit our teeth. Safety you know. Protocol must be followed. There are rules, you know. Wonder how many died because of that?
I was around for Swine Flu, too. Saw some foot dragging there, too.
Not to mention various other maladies.
So give credit, where credit is deserved.
“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
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@jon-nyc said in How bad is the pandemic? Look at hospitalizations.:
Well you know Jolly there was a pandemic and 30% unemployment. That might well have spurred the FDA as much as any nasty tweet.
Bullshit. Pure partisan bullshit.
Remember, toots, I was dodging feces from AIDS patients when you were still trying to figure out how to depth-charge a beer in college. Or maybe that was high school. Did you know tests were available on automated platforms, platforms that were being used in the U.S., but the FDA would not let us have the tests? The Europeans were running them by the hundreds of thousands, by the millions, and all we could do was grit our teeth. Safety you know. Protocol must be followed. There are rules, you know. Wonder how many died because of that?
I was around for Swine Flu, too. Saw some foot dragging there, too.
Not to mention various other maladies.
So give credit, where credit is deserved.
@Jolly said in How bad is the pandemic? Look at hospitalizations.:
@jon-nyc said in How bad is the pandemic? Look at hospitalizations.:
Well you know Jolly there was a pandemic and 30% unemployment. That might well have spurred the FDA as much as any nasty tweet.
Bullshit. Pure partisan bullshit.
Remember, toots, I was dodging feces from AIDS patients when you were still trying to figure out how to depth-charge a beer in college. Or maybe that was high school. Did you know tests were available on automated platforms, platforms that were being used in the U.S., but the FDA would not let us have the tests? The Europeans were running them by the hundreds of thousands, by the millions, and all we could do was grit our teeth. Safety you know. Protocol must be followed. There are rules, you know. Wonder how many died because of that?
I was around for Swine Flu, too. Saw some foot dragging there, too.
Not to mention various other maladies.
So give credit, where credit is deserved.
Do you remember President Trump implying they should do less testing because it was making the numbers look bad?
You can't try and seriously claim there wasn't some seriously mixed messaging coming out of the WH.
I was only joking
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...and I've said over and over I don't particularly blame DJT for the Covid situation. I'm not going to praise him effusively over something like the FDA acting almost as quickly as the UK, either.
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...and I've said over and over I don't particularly blame DJT for the Covid situation. I'm not going to praise him effusively over something like the FDA acting almost as quickly as the UK, either.
@Doctor-Phibes said in How bad is the pandemic? Look at hospitalizations.:
...and I've said over and over I don't particularly blame DJT for the Covid situation. I'm not going to praise him effusively over something like the FDA acting almost as quickly as the UK, either.
I guess we don’t trust the UK. How absurd when Americans are dying. It will amount to well over 10,000 excess deaths.
But remember how blasé we are about that. So let’s not judge what happened before knowing how little we really care.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in How bad is the pandemic? Look at hospitalizations.:
...and I've said over and over I don't particularly blame DJT for the Covid situation. I'm not going to praise him effusively over something like the FDA acting almost as quickly as the UK, either.
I guess we don’t trust the UK. How absurd when Americans are dying. It will amount to well over 10,000 excess deaths.
But remember how blasé we are about that. So let’s not judge what happened before knowing how little we really care.
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I could say 'remember thalidomide?' The FDA saved you from the horrors of that one.
I was only joking
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I could say 'remember thalidomide?' The FDA saved you from the horrors of that one.
@Doctor-Phibes said in How bad is the pandemic? Look at hospitalizations.:
I could say 'remember thalidomide?' The FDA saved you from the horrors of that one.
For 80 year olds. What did It do to them?
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I can't wait to take the Biden vaccine. It will be on Biden's watch, Biden's vaccine.
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I could say 'remember thalidomide?' The FDA saved you from the horrors of that one.
@Doctor-Phibes said in How bad is the pandemic? Look at hospitalizations.:
I could say 'remember thalidomide?' The FDA saved you from the horrors of that one.
It's a good drug, as long as you're not pregnant:
Thalidomide is used as a first-line treatment in multiple myeloma in combination with dexamethasone or with melphalan and prednisone, to treat acute episodes of erythema nodosum leprosum, and for maintenance therapy.
The bacterium that causes tuberculosis (TB) is related to leprosy. Thalidomide may be helpful in some cases where standard TB drugs and corticosteroids are not sufficient to resolve severe inflammation in the brain.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in How bad is the pandemic? Look at hospitalizations.:
I could say 'remember thalidomide?' The FDA saved you from the horrors of that one.
For 80 year olds. What did It do to them?
@Loki said in How bad is the pandemic? Look at hospitalizations.:
@Doctor-Phibes said in How bad is the pandemic? Look at hospitalizations.:
I could say 'remember thalidomide?' The FDA saved you from the horrors of that one.
For 80 year olds. What did It do to them?
Yes, I take the point. But in the highly unlikely event that a tragedy occurs, there will be a lot of finger pointing, and the cause for vaccination in general would be put back decades.
I was only joking
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You missed the point entirely. I didn't say the FDA didn't speed things up, I said there was a lot more motivating them than Trump.
@jon-nyc said in How bad is the pandemic? Look at hospitalizations.:
You missed the point entirely. I didn't say the FDA didn't speed things up, I said there was a lot more motivating them than Trump.
Point not taken. There is always something motivating them. Sometimes not for the best. But this hasn't happened before.
Ever.
Period.
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@Loki said in How bad is the pandemic? Look at hospitalizations.:
@Doctor-Phibes said in How bad is the pandemic? Look at hospitalizations.:
I could say 'remember thalidomide?' The FDA saved you from the horrors of that one.
For 80 year olds. What did It do to them?
Yes, I take the point. But in the highly unlikely event that a tragedy occurs, there will be a lot of finger pointing, and the cause for vaccination in general would be put back decades.
@Doctor-Phibes said in How bad is the pandemic? Look at hospitalizations.:
@Loki said in How bad is the pandemic? Look at hospitalizations.:
@Doctor-Phibes said in How bad is the pandemic? Look at hospitalizations.:
I could say 'remember thalidomide?' The FDA saved you from the horrors of that one.
For 80 year olds. What did It do to them?
Yes, I take the point. But in the highly unlikely event that a tragedy occurs, there will be a lot of finger pointing, and the cause for vaccination in general would be put back decades.
You're a safety guy. Is any action 100% safe? Or is there always an element of allowable risk?
Did you know that children die every year from routine vaccinations? If this vaccine, or this combo of vaccines work, what is the allowable risk?
“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
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I'd happily take the vaccine now. But I also understand the FDA taking slightly longer than the UK.
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As a Trump voter, I should decline the vaccine.
But as a democrat, I should demonstrate fealty to my government masters.
It is a tough call.
This sort of science is never easy.
@Copper said in How bad is the pandemic? Look at hospitalizations.:
As a Trump voter, I should decline the vaccine.
But as a democrat, I should demonstrate fealty to my government masters.
It is a tough call.
This sort of science is never easy.
Your body, your choice.
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At some point we are going to ask if we were able to approve the vaccine in October how many lives would we have saved. So during that time we thought Trump only wanted it for re-election but now we see what a vast difference it would have made. The level of misery and death will peak in January, now is just the beginning.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in How bad is the pandemic? Look at hospitalizations.:
@Loki said in How bad is the pandemic? Look at hospitalizations.:
@Doctor-Phibes said in How bad is the pandemic? Look at hospitalizations.:
I could say 'remember thalidomide?' The FDA saved you from the horrors of that one.
For 80 year olds. What did It do to them?
Yes, I take the point. But in the highly unlikely event that a tragedy occurs, there will be a lot of finger pointing, and the cause for vaccination in general would be put back decades.
You're a safety guy. Is any action 100% safe? Or is there always an element of allowable risk?
Did you know that children die every year from routine vaccinations? If this vaccine, or this combo of vaccines work, what is the allowable risk?
@Jolly said in How bad is the pandemic? Look at hospitalizations.:
@Doctor-Phibes said in How bad is the pandemic? Look at hospitalizations.:
@Loki said in How bad is the pandemic? Look at hospitalizations.:
@Doctor-Phibes said in How bad is the pandemic? Look at hospitalizations.:
I could say 'remember thalidomide?' The FDA saved you from the horrors of that one.
For 80 year olds. What did It do to them?
Yes, I take the point. But in the highly unlikely event that a tragedy occurs, there will be a lot of finger pointing, and the cause for vaccination in general would be put back decades.
You're a safety guy. Is any action 100% safe? Or is there always an element of allowable risk?
I've always been a common-sense kind of person in my work, and based on what little I know (and my complete lack of expertise in all things medical) I would approve the vaccine now. I have worked with people who are such perfectionists that they will absolutely refuse to release an approval before everything is perfect. I find this approach to be one of the most aggravating and frustrating things when working with safety folks - I've had meetings where I literally have to sit on my hands to stop myself from 'reaching out'. There is a tendency in approval type professions to attract people who cannot let things go, however small.
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@Jolly said in How bad is the pandemic? Look at hospitalizations.:
@jon-nyc said in How bad is the pandemic? Look at hospitalizations.:
Well you know Jolly there was a pandemic and 30% unemployment. That might well have spurred the FDA as much as any nasty tweet.
Bullshit. Pure partisan bullshit.
Remember, toots, I was dodging feces from AIDS patients when you were still trying to figure out how to depth-charge a beer in college. Or maybe that was high school. Did you know tests were available on automated platforms, platforms that were being used in the U.S., but the FDA would not let us have the tests? The Europeans were running them by the hundreds of thousands, by the millions, and all we could do was grit our teeth. Safety you know. Protocol must be followed. There are rules, you know. Wonder how many died because of that?
I was around for Swine Flu, too. Saw some foot dragging there, too.
Not to mention various other maladies.
So give credit, where credit is deserved.
Do you remember President Trump implying they should do less testing because it was making the numbers look bad?
You can't try and seriously claim there wasn't some seriously mixed messaging coming out of the WH.
@Doctor-Phibes said in How bad is the pandemic? Look at hospitalizations.:
@Jolly said in How bad is the pandemic? Look at hospitalizations.:
@jon-nyc said in How bad is the pandemic? Look at hospitalizations.:
Well you know Jolly there was a pandemic and 30% unemployment. That might well have spurred the FDA as much as any nasty tweet.
Bullshit. Pure partisan bullshit.
Remember, toots, I was dodging feces from AIDS patients when you were still trying to figure out how to depth-charge a beer in college. Or maybe that was high school. Did you know tests were available on automated platforms, platforms that were being used in the U.S., but the FDA would not let us have the tests? The Europeans were running them by the hundreds of thousands, by the millions, and all we could do was grit our teeth. Safety you know. Protocol must be followed. There are rules, you know. Wonder how many died because of that?
I was around for Swine Flu, too. Saw some foot dragging there, too.
Not to mention various other maladies.
So give credit, where credit is deserved.
Do you remember President Trump implying they should do less testing because it was making the numbers look bad?
You can't try and seriously claim there wasn't some seriously mixed messaging coming out of the WH.
Ok..... this is ridiculous. This is a perfect example of how those on the Left process information and screw it up. The context is totally dropped, one thing is pulled out, and then given a completely backward to the truth meaning. Trump had spent months doing everything he could to increase testing. One of the results of that increased testing is that the more you test, the more cases you find. Conversely, the less you test, the fewer cases you find. Common sense - until the Trump haters get involved.
Trump and his covid team had done a great job of getting testing ramped up. Had he not, the Trump haters would have beat him up for not ramping up testing. He ramped up testing, so the only thing they could do to beat him up was to beat him up over the resulting numbers. "Mr. Trump, you've done such a lousy job that it's your fault that the US has so many covid cases!" Then Trump explains that if you test more, you will find more cases, and if you test less you'll find fewer cases, the countries' numbers you are beating me up with had far less testing, so naturally they will find fewer cases, and if we had tested less we would have found fewer cases.
Most sane people would be able to connect those dots and recognize that it's simple common sense. But NOOO, not the Trump haters. They can't think deep enough into something to connect the dots. What they walked away with was "Trump said they should do less testing because it was making the numbers look bad"
Im not sure if this lack of an ability to process information is intentional and they really know better, or if they're actually that simple minded. I'm not sure if this simple mindedness is what makes them Lefties, or if being a Lefty makes them simple minded. But what I DO know is that Trump neither said, nor implied, that we should do less testing because it was making the numbers look bad. Never. Ever.
He never said we should drink bleach either, but that got tossed in in another thread.
