“Election Hoax”
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The amount of damage Trump does right now is insane.
If he has evidence, he should inform the police or FBI or whatnot and take care that those who are responsible are arrested.
If he has no evidence, he should STFU.
In any case, he should stop the damaging tweets. This has become rather insane.
wrote on 20 Nov 2020, 21:03 last edited by Copper@Klaus said in “Election Hoax”:
If he has evidence,
cnn is awesome
Absolutely, positively awesome
They have put these words into so many mouths
Even the msm has spent the last weeks talking about Mr. Trump's evidence
For better or worse, real or fake, there is a ton of evidence and it is being presented
But somehow, even here at tncr, we have had several posts every day saying there is no evidence
I know, shut up, I'm stupid
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wrote on 20 Nov 2020, 21:13 last edited by Jolly
If you voted for Trump, you're stupid. Why, it is the very definition of stupid.
You probably smell, too...
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wrote on 20 Nov 2020, 21:25 last edited by
It has nothing to do with being stupid. I get his appeal, and it's based on real things.
It's a matter of values. The policies that you care about are relatively less important to me, and the aspects of Trump that you're willing to ignore are relatively more important to me.
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@Klaus said in “Election Hoax”:
If he has evidence,
cnn is awesome
Absolutely, positively awesome
They have put these words into so many mouths
Even the msm has spent the last weeks talking about Mr. Trump's evidence
For better or worse, real or fake, there is a ton of evidence and it is being presented
But somehow, even here at tncr, we have had several posts every day saying there is no evidence
I know, shut up, I'm stupid
wrote on 20 Nov 2020, 21:25 last edited by@Copper said in “Election Hoax”:
For better or worse, real or fake, there is a ton of evidence and it is being presented
Where? I have seen nothing that even remotely justifies the fraud claims.
Even Tucker Carlson thinks there is basically no evidence yet. That should give you something to think about.
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wrote on 20 Nov 2020, 21:32 last edited by
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wrote on 20 Nov 2020, 21:34 last edited by jon-nyc
His worst legacy by far.
(Granted he has a few weeks to top it)
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@Jolly said in “Election Hoax”:
47%
This is where Trump is just an example of the new world we're in with Social Media.
Truth does not matter - what matters is how many people believe something. It's now very easy to throw a narrative out there to see if it sticks (no need for smoke filled rooms to be the gatekeepers)
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@Jolly said in “Election Hoax”:
47%
This is where Trump is just an example of the new world we're in with Social Media.
Truth does not matter - what matters is how many people believe something. It's now very easy to throw a narrative out there to see if it sticks (no need for smoke filled rooms to be the gatekeepers)
wrote on 20 Nov 2020, 21:39 last edited by@xenon said in “Election Hoax”:
@Jolly said in “Election Hoax”:
47%
This is where Trump is just an example of the new world we're in with Social Media.
Truth does not matter - what matters is how many people believe something. It's now very easy to throw a narrative out there to see if it sticks (no need for smoke filled rooms to be the gatekeepers)
Noticed that 30% of Dems thought the election was rigged.
That was interesting...
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@xenon said in “Election Hoax”:
@Jolly said in “Election Hoax”:
47%
This is where Trump is just an example of the new world we're in with Social Media.
Truth does not matter - what matters is how many people believe something. It's now very easy to throw a narrative out there to see if it sticks (no need for smoke filled rooms to be the gatekeepers)
Noticed that 30% of Dems thought the election was rigged.
That was interesting...
wrote on 20 Nov 2020, 21:41 last edited by xenon@Jolly said in “Election Hoax”:
@xenon said in “Election Hoax”:
@Jolly said in “Election Hoax”:
47%
This is where Trump is just an example of the new world we're in with Social Media.
Truth does not matter - what matters is how many people believe something. It's now very easy to throw a narrative out there to see if it sticks (no need for smoke filled rooms to be the gatekeepers)
Noticed that 30% of Dems thought the election was rigged.
That was interesting...
A good portion of the population is just plain conspiratorial.
Humans are wired for stories.
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wrote on 20 Nov 2020, 21:49 last edited by
There is also nothing that prohibits a Democrat (or any non-Republican) from deciding the election was rigged.
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@Copper said in “Election Hoax”:
For better or worse, real or fake, there is a ton of evidence and it is being presented
Where? I have seen nothing that even remotely justifies the fraud claims.
Even Tucker Carlson thinks there is basically no evidence yet. That should give you something to think about.
wrote on 20 Nov 2020, 22:11 last edited by@Klaus said in “Election Hoax”:
@Copper said in “Election Hoax”:
For better or worse, real or fake, there is a ton of evidence and it is being presented
Where? I have seen nothing that even remotely justifies the fraud claims.
Even Tucker Carlson thinks there is basically no evidence yet. That should give you something to think about.
You might notice I did not make any claim about the quality of the evidence, only it's existence.
There was a well publicized news conference yesterday that presented evidence.
It is easy to find.
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@Klaus said in “Election Hoax”:
@Copper said in “Election Hoax”:
For better or worse, real or fake, there is a ton of evidence and it is being presented
Where? I have seen nothing that even remotely justifies the fraud claims.
Even Tucker Carlson thinks there is basically no evidence yet. That should give you something to think about.
You might notice I did not make any claim about the quality of the evidence, only it's existence.
There was a well publicized news conference yesterday that presented evidence.
It is easy to find.
wrote on 20 Nov 2020, 23:22 last edited by Klaus@Copper said in “Election Hoax”:
You might notice I did not make any claim about the quality of the evidence, only it's existence.
If you accuse somebody of murder and the best indicator you found was that the guy possesses a bread knife, would you call that "evidence"?
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It has nothing to do with being stupid. I get his appeal, and it's based on real things.
It's a matter of values. The policies that you care about are relatively less important to me, and the aspects of Trump that you're willing to ignore are relatively more important to me.
wrote on 20 Nov 2020, 23:25 last edited by@xenon said in “Election Hoax”:
the aspects of Trump that you're willing to ignore are relatively more important to me.
You can say exactly the same about Biden voters.
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@Copper said in “Election Hoax”:
You might notice I did not make any claim about the quality of the evidence, only it's existence.
If you accuse somebody of murder and the best indicator you found was that the guy possesses a bread knife, would you call that "evidence"?
wrote on 20 Nov 2020, 23:33 last edited by@Klaus said in “Election Hoax”:
@Copper said in “Election Hoax”:
You might notice I did not make any claim about the quality of the evidence, only it's existence.
If you accuse somebody of murder and the best
indicatorevidence you found was that the guy possesses a bread knife, would you call that "evidence"? -
@xenon said in “Election Hoax”:
the aspects of Trump that you're willing to ignore are relatively more important to me.
You can say exactly the same about Biden voters.
wrote on 21 Nov 2020, 00:12 last edited by@Aqua-Letifer said in “Election Hoax”:
@xenon said in “Election Hoax”:
the aspects of Trump that you're willing to ignore are relatively more important to me.
You can say exactly the same about Biden voters.
100% .
I was trying to say that I'm not calling Trump voters stupid by criticizing Trump. It's a difference of values.
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It has nothing to do with being stupid. I get his appeal, and it's based on real things.
It's a matter of values. The policies that you care about are relatively less important to me, and the aspects of Trump that you're willing to ignore are relatively more important to me.
wrote on 21 Nov 2020, 02:05 last edited by@xenon said in “Election Hoax”:
It's a matter of values. The policies that you care about are relatively less important to me, and the aspects of Trump that you're willing to ignore are relatively more important to me.
Good way of putting it.
And as @Aqua-Letifer and you mention, it works for both sides.