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  • JollyJ Offline
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    If I told you an incumbent president had 52 percent approval on Election Day and ended up winning 10 million more votes than during his first election, would you predict victory? What if 56 percent of voters felt they were better off since the president had entered office? What if you knew that the incumbent had a nearly 30 percent enthusiasm edge over his opponent, or that when asked for whom they thought their neighbors were voting, nearly 10 percent more Americans expected the president to be re-elected than to lose?

    https://thefederalist.com/2020/11/13/5-historical-trends-that-show-its-utterly-shocking-if-trump-lost-in-2020/

    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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      If he lost

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        All he needed to do was shut up and not show what a doofus he is.

        He absolutely touched on grievances that resonate with a large part of the electorate (the ascendency of China, decline in value of American labor, changing culture - on the immigration front and having pride in our history, etc)

        Key economic metrics were in good shape (especially ex-Corona).

        He still managed to fuck it up somehow.

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          I’m being overly flippant though. I think people are becoming culture voters first and policy second.

          That feels new.

          With all the ups and downs of the last 4 years. The popular vote and approval rating didn’t change much at all.

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            I would say “you cherry picked your approval rating poll”.

            You were warned.

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              I would say “you cherry picked your approval rating poll”.

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              @jon-nyc said in Shocking:

              I would say “you cherry picked your approval rating poll”.

              Pick yours.

              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                As been said before, the best campaigner during the campaign for president elect Biddn, was President Trump.

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                  As been said before, the best campaigner during the campaign for president elect Biddn, was President Trump.

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                  @taiwan_girl said in Shocking:

                  As been said before, the best campaigner during the campaign for president elect Biddn, was President Trump.

                  Yes, you've said that before. Repeating it won't make it become true, but you've said it before.

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                  • LarryL Larry

                    @taiwan_girl said in Shocking:

                    As been said before, the best campaigner during the campaign for president elect Biddn, was President Trump.

                    Yes, you've said that before. Repeating it won't make it become true, but you've said it before.

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                    @Larry said in Shocking:

                    @taiwan_girl said in Shocking:

                    As been said before, the best campaigner during the campaign for president elect Biddn, was President Trump.

                    Yes, you've said that before. Repeating it won't make it become true, but you've said it before.

                    I think she's right.

                    Trump is a difficult person (to say the least). He steps on his dick every other day.

                    That's not to say he's wrong, it's to say he's an obnoxious, vengeful, pig.

                    But that's not to say he's wrong for the country.

                    Biden played it smart.

                    "Let Trump be Trump" was the mantra a few years ago, and it worked.

                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                      I used to step on mine once in a while too...

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                        It would have been a slaughter for Republicans and President Trump as well if he'd sat back - but he and the GOP really campaigned while the Democrats relied upon money and advertising. Trump and the GOP destroyed the Dems on the ground game, i.e. public appearances, knocking on doors, staging rallies, etc.

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                          It would have been a slaughter for Republicans and President Trump as well if he'd sat back - but he and the GOP really campaigned while the Democrats relied upon money and advertising. Trump and the GOP destroyed the Dems on the ground game, i.e. public appearances, knocking on doors, staging rallies, etc.

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                          xenon
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                          @kluurs I dunno. In person rallies are full of diehards.

                          Maybe it energized them enough to push people others to turnout?

                          Feels like if you turnout to a political rally, you will reliably turnout to vote for that politician.

                          There’s no counterfactual here.

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                          • LarryL Larry

                            @taiwan_girl said in Shocking:

                            As been said before, the best campaigner during the campaign for president elect Biddn, was President Trump.

                            Yes, you've said that before. Repeating it won't make it become true, but you've said it before.

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                            @Larry said in Shocking:

                            @taiwan_girl said in Shocking:

                            As been said before, the best campaigner during the campaign for president elect Biddn, was President Trump.

                            Yes, you've said that before. Repeating it won't make it become true, but you've said it before.

                            Repeating it didn’t show it to be true, the election results did.

                            You were warned.

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                              We don't know the election results yet.

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                                @kluurs I dunno. In person rallies are full of diehards.

                                Maybe it energized them enough to push people others to turnout?

                                Feels like if you turnout to a political rally, you will reliably turnout to vote for that politician.

                                There’s no counterfactual here.

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                                  We know the headline result. But not the final count.

                                  You were warned.

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                                  • kluursK kluurs

                                    It would have been a slaughter for Republicans and President Trump as well if he'd sat back - but he and the GOP really campaigned while the Democrats relied upon money and advertising. Trump and the GOP destroyed the Dems on the ground game, i.e. public appearances, knocking on doors, staging rallies, etc.

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                                    @kluurs said in Shocking:

                                    It would have been a slaughter for Republicans and President Trump as well if he'd sat back - but he and the GOP really campaigned while the Democrats relied upon money and advertising. Trump and the GOP destroyed the Dems on the ground game, i.e. public appearances, knocking on doors, staging rallies, etc.

                                    I agree. I wonder though if he had played the first debate different and changed his own Covid experience result if he would have picked up enough splitter ticket votes. I don’t think his base would have been less enthusiastic to vote.

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                                      Mail-in ballots.

                                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                      • JollyJ Jolly

                                        If I told you an incumbent president had 52 percent approval on Election Day and ended up winning 10 million more votes than during his first election, would you predict victory? What if 56 percent of voters felt they were better off since the president had entered office? What if you knew that the incumbent had a nearly 30 percent enthusiasm edge over his opponent, or that when asked for whom they thought their neighbors were voting, nearly 10 percent more Americans expected the president to be re-elected than to lose?

                                        https://thefederalist.com/2020/11/13/5-historical-trends-that-show-its-utterly-shocking-if-trump-lost-in-2020/

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                                        @Jolly said in Shocking:

                                        If I told you an incumbent president had 52 percent approval on Election Day and ended up winning 10 million more votes than during his first election, would you predict victory? What if 56 percent of voters felt they were better off since the president had entered office? What if you knew that the incumbent had a nearly 30 percent enthusiasm edge over his opponent, or that when asked for whom they thought their neighbors were voting, nearly 10 percent more Americans expected the president to be re-elected than to lose?

                                        https://thefederalist.com/2020/11/13/5-historical-trends-that-show-its-utterly-shocking-if-trump-lost-in-2020/

                                        Trump's political skills and his cult of personality cannot be doubted.
                                        Yet it is still shocking that over 70 million Americans voted to put him back in the White House despite witnessing his constant lying, his open racism, and his lethal incompetance over the last four years.

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                                          Trump is not racist. The last racist President we had was Obama and he wasn't overt. I think if you look at who voted for Trump, it puts to rest the racist lie.

                                          The 71 million who voted for him, puts the incompetence argument pretty much to bed. In split givernment, he was more effective than most.

                                          As for lying, name one politician who doesn't.

                                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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