We'll let POTUS know later
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@xenon said in We'll let POTUS know later:
They don’t serve Donald Trump - they serve the office of President.
There is no "office of President. There is the President of the United States. And as much as you loathe him, Trump is that person. Get used to it for the next 10 weeks. He's in charge, and he should have been notified regardless of his personality.
There’s nothing legally wrong with Pfizer informing Joe Sunday night and announcing first thing Monday morning though the media. There’s also no practical difference to the administration’s ability to address coronavirus with that.
I never claimed illegality. I implied bias. That's obvious.
This issue is about respect of the office of POTUS.
Exactly. And Pfizer showed no respect for that office.
The office can be disrespected by the holder of it as well.
And that is irrelevant to the point of this thread. Again, you're objecting to personality, not policy.
@George-K here’s a practical example.
Trump recently fired his secretary of defense over Twitter. He fired many people through media without telling them. I think Comey was famously giving a speech somewhere when it showed up on the news.
My point is - isn’t that disrespectful to the Presidency? Cheapens the authority given to the holder of the office.
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Bill Clinto was sticking his dick down a girl's throat in the oval office, did that disrespect the office? Then why in HELL did we continue to show respect for the office and the man in it?
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@Larry I have no idea what you’re talking about.
So you think cabinet members should be fired through the media going forward?
Cool. I don’t.
I already said they should have told Trump first. That was the first thing I said.
My point was that there’s a lot of one sided outrage on this.
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@Larry I have no idea what you’re talking about.
So you think cabinet members should be fired through the media going forward?
Cool. I don’t.
I already said they should have told Trump first. That was the first thing I said.
My point was that there’s a lot of one sided outrage on this.
@xenon said in We'll let POTUS know later:
@Larry I have no idea what you’re talking about.
So you think cabinet members should be fired through the media going forward?
Cool. I don’t.
I already said they should have told Trump first. That was the first thing I said.
I am already aware that you have no idea what I'm talking about.
None whatsoever.
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@xenon said in We'll let POTUS know later:
@Larry I have no idea what you’re talking about.
So you think cabinet members should be fired through the media going forward?
Cool. I don’t.
I already said they should have told Trump first. That was the first thing I said.
I am already aware that you have no idea what I'm talking about.
None whatsoever.
@Larry said in We'll let POTUS know later:
@xenon said in We'll let POTUS know later:
@Larry I have no idea what you’re talking about.
So you think cabinet members should be fired through the media going forward?
Cool. I don’t.
I already said they should have told Trump first. That was the first thing I said.
I am already aware that you have no idea what I'm talking about.
None whatsoever.
That’s because you don’t know what you’re talking about.
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@George-K here’s a practical example.
Trump recently fired his secretary of defense over Twitter. He fired many people through media without telling them. I think Comey was famously giving a speech somewhere when it showed up on the news.
My point is - isn’t that disrespectful to the Presidency? Cheapens the authority given to the holder of the office.
@xenon said in We'll let POTUS know later:
Trump recently fired his secretary of defense over Twitter. He fired many people through media without telling them. I think Comey was famously giving a speech somewhere when it showed up on the news.
My point is - isn’t that disrespectful to the Presidency? Cheapens the authority given to the holder of the office.All of those points are irrelevant (even if true).
Should the manufacturer of a potentially life-saving vaccine have notified the President of the United States that they had a treatment that might work?
Should the same manufacturer have notified the President's political opponent before the President?
Again, you're confusing policy with personality. Your use of the word "cheapen" proves my point. There's no such thing as "cheapen" when it comes to this.
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@xenon said in We'll let POTUS know later:
Trump recently fired his secretary of defense over Twitter. He fired many people through media without telling them. I think Comey was famously giving a speech somewhere when it showed up on the news.
My point is - isn’t that disrespectful to the Presidency? Cheapens the authority given to the holder of the office.All of those points are irrelevant (even if true).
Should the manufacturer of a potentially life-saving vaccine have notified the President of the United States that they had a treatment that might work?
Should the same manufacturer have notified the President's political opponent before the President?
Again, you're confusing policy with personality. Your use of the word "cheapen" proves my point. There's no such thing as "cheapen" when it comes to this.
@George-K said in We'll let POTUS know later:
@xenon said in We'll let POTUS know later:
Trump recently fired his secretary of defense over Twitter. He fired many people through media without telling them. I think Comey was famously giving a speech somewhere when it showed up on the news.
My point is - isn’t that disrespectful to the Presidency? Cheapens the authority given to the holder of the office.All of those points are irrelevant (even if true).
Should the manufacturer of a potentially life-saving vaccine have notified the President of the United States that they had a treatment that might work?
Should the same manufacturer have notified the President's political opponent before the President?
Again, you're confusing policy with personality. Your use of the word "cheapen" proves my point. There's no such thing as "cheapen" when it comes to this.
On a practical level - if they told Joe (and others) Sunday night and announced first thing Monday morning what difference does that make to the Corona response?
This is purely a matter of respect.
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@xenon said in We'll let POTUS know later:
Trump recently fired his secretary of defense over Twitter. He fired many people through media without telling them. I think Comey was famously giving a speech somewhere when it showed up on the news.
My point is - isn’t that disrespectful to the Presidency? Cheapens the authority given to the holder of the office.Forgot this....
Trump recently fired his secretary of defense over Twitter. He fired many people through media without telling them. I think Comey was famously giving a speech somewhere when it showed up on the news.
My point is - isn’t that disrespectful to the Presidency? Cheapens the authority given to the holder of the office.
The fact that you condemn Trump for doing EXACTLY what Pfizer seems to have done sort of undermines your argument, doesn't it?
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@xenon said in We'll let POTUS know later:
Trump recently fired his secretary of defense over Twitter. He fired many people through media without telling them. I think Comey was famously giving a speech somewhere when it showed up on the news.
My point is - isn’t that disrespectful to the Presidency? Cheapens the authority given to the holder of the office.Forgot this....
Trump recently fired his secretary of defense over Twitter. He fired many people through media without telling them. I think Comey was famously giving a speech somewhere when it showed up on the news.
My point is - isn’t that disrespectful to the Presidency? Cheapens the authority given to the holder of the office.
The fact that you condemn Trump for doing EXACTLY what Pfizer seems to have done sort of undermines your argument, doesn't it?
@George-K said in We'll let POTUS know later:
@xenon said in We'll let POTUS know later:
Trump recently fired his secretary of defense over Twitter. He fired many people through media without telling them. I think Comey was famously giving a speech somewhere when it showed up on the news.
My point is - isn’t that disrespectful to the Presidency? Cheapens the authority given to the holder of the office.Forgot this....
Trump recently fired his secretary of defense over Twitter. He fired many people through media without telling them. I think Comey was famously giving a speech somewhere when it showed up on the news.
My point is - isn’t that disrespectful to the Presidency? Cheapens the authority given to the holder of the office.
The fact that you condemn Trump for doing EXACTLY what Pfizer seems to have done sort of undermines your argument, doesn't it?
Oh god! That’s exactly my point! My point is about selective outrage. Some people don’t care when Trump does it, but so when Pfizer does.
That is and was my only point.
I started by saying that Pfizer should have told Trump first. That was my first statement
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@George-K said in We'll let POTUS know later:
@xenon said in We'll let POTUS know later:
Trump recently fired his secretary of defense over Twitter. He fired many people through media without telling them. I think Comey was famously giving a speech somewhere when it showed up on the news.
My point is - isn’t that disrespectful to the Presidency? Cheapens the authority given to the holder of the office.All of those points are irrelevant (even if true).
Should the manufacturer of a potentially life-saving vaccine have notified the President of the United States that they had a treatment that might work?
Should the same manufacturer have notified the President's political opponent before the President?
Again, you're confusing policy with personality. Your use of the word "cheapen" proves my point. There's no such thing as "cheapen" when it comes to this.
On a practical level - if they told Joe (and others) Sunday night and announced first thing Monday morning what difference does that make to the Corona response?
This is purely a matter of respect.
@xenon said in We'll let POTUS know later:
This is purely a matter of respect.
Exactly.
And that's the point you've been making all along. You claim, perhaps correctly, that Trump doesn't deserve respect because of his behavior.
Pfizer, when doing the same thing is OK, because, well "Mom, he hit me first!"
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@xenon said in We'll let POTUS know later:
This is purely a matter of respect.
Exactly.
And that's the point you've been making all along. You claim, perhaps correctly, that Trump doesn't deserve respect because of his behavior.
Pfizer, when doing the same thing is OK, because, well "Mom, he hit me first!"
@George-K said in We'll let POTUS know later:
@xenon said in We'll let POTUS know later:
This is purely a matter of respect.
Exactly.
And that's the point you've been making all along. You claim, perhaps correctly, that Trump doesn't deserve respect because of his behavior.
Pfizer, when doing the same thing is OK, because, well "Mom, he hit me first!"
I said Trump personally doesn’t deserve it, but the office does. I guess I didn’t say this part explicitly: but what the office deserves is much much much more important than the man holding it
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@George-K said in We'll let POTUS know later:
@xenon said in We'll let POTUS know later:
Trump recently fired his secretary of defense over Twitter. He fired many people through media without telling them. I think Comey was famously giving a speech somewhere when it showed up on the news.
My point is - isn’t that disrespectful to the Presidency? Cheapens the authority given to the holder of the office.Forgot this....
Trump recently fired his secretary of defense over Twitter. He fired many people through media without telling them. I think Comey was famously giving a speech somewhere when it showed up on the news.
My point is - isn’t that disrespectful to the Presidency? Cheapens the authority given to the holder of the office.
The fact that you condemn Trump for doing EXACTLY what Pfizer seems to have done sort of undermines your argument, doesn't it?
Oh god! That’s exactly my point! My point is about selective outrage. Some people don’t care when Trump does it, but so when Pfizer does.
That is and was my only point.
I started by saying that Pfizer should have told Trump first. That was my first statement
@xenon said in We'll let POTUS know later:
Oh god! That’s exactly my point! My point is about selective outrage. Some people don’t care when Trump does it, but so when Pfizer does.
That is and was my only point.Fair enough.
You said...
My point wasn’t that he shouldn’t have been notified first (he should have).
But it’s also a two way street.
But you justify Pfizer because of Trump's prior behavior.
As I said, "Mom! He hit me first!" is a pretty weak defense.
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If Pfizer wanted to control the message and felt that the President wasn't trustworthy to keep the announcement to himself, they should not have shared with anyone prior to the announcement - or given it to him at 9:00 a.m. and made the announcement at 10:00 a.m. AND whomever on the Biden side let this be known "haha, we knew before the President" is an ass.
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@xenon said in We'll let POTUS know later:
Oh god! That’s exactly my point! My point is about selective outrage. Some people don’t care when Trump does it, but so when Pfizer does.
That is and was my only point.Fair enough.
You said...
My point wasn’t that he shouldn’t have been notified first (he should have).
But it’s also a two way street.
But you justify Pfizer because of Trump's prior behavior.
As I said, "Mom! He hit me first!" is a pretty weak defense.
@George-K said in We'll let POTUS know later:
@xenon said in We'll let POTUS know later:
Oh god! That’s exactly my point! My point is about selective outrage. Some people don’t care when Trump does it, but so when Pfizer does.
That is and was my only point.Fair enough.
You said...
My point wasn’t that he shouldn’t have been notified first (he should have).
But it’s also a two way street.
But you justify Pfizer because of Trump's prior behavior.
As I said, "Mom! He hit me first!" is a pretty weak defense.
Sorry - my bad for being unclear.
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@George-K said in We'll let POTUS know later:
@xenon said in We'll let POTUS know later:
This is purely a matter of respect.
Exactly.
And that's the point you've been making all along. You claim, perhaps correctly, that Trump doesn't deserve respect because of his behavior.
Pfizer, when doing the same thing is OK, because, well "Mom, he hit me first!"
I said Trump personally doesn’t deserve it, but the office does. I guess I didn’t say this part explicitly: but what the office deserves is much much much more important than the man holding it
@xenon said in We'll let POTUS know later:
Link to videothe office deserves is much much much more important than the man holding it
Exactly.
Act accoriding to the office, not the man. Do what's right, not because you hate the man, but because it's fucking right.
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@xenon said in We'll let POTUS know later:
Link to videothe office deserves is much much much more important than the man holding it
Exactly.
Act accoriding to the office, not the man. Do what's right, not because you hate the man, but because it's fucking right.
@George-K said in We'll let POTUS know later:
@xenon said in We'll let POTUS know later:
Link to videothe office deserves is much much much more important than the man holding it
Exactly.
Act accoriding to the office, not the man. Do what's right, not because you hate the man, but because it's fucking right.
Yeah - which is my main beef with Trump. His grade school antics are below the office.
I get the whole “it’s all about policy crowd” - I do. That’s not me though.
