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  • jon-nycJ Online
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    jon-nyc
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    #25

    What I find disconcerting about these successive waves is each one is broader than the last.

    The first one was basically NY. (simplifying a bit).

    The second was sun-belt driven.

    This one seems more evenly distributed, and more nation wide.

    Only non-witches get due process.

    • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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      LuFins Dad
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      #26

      There’s no question the daily deaths are going to increase, that just follows from the hospitalizations by about two weeks. The real question will be by how much.

      The Brad

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        jon-nyc
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        #27

        The seven day average of cases is double what we saw in August. Might the deaths double from what we saw in August? Not an unreasonable assumption unless you think our standards of care have improved and/or the virus has mutated since August.

        Only non-witches get due process.

        • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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          #28

          @jon-nyc said in 104,000:

          The seven day average of cases is double what we saw in August. Might the deaths double from what we saw in August? Not an unreasonable assumption unless you think our standards of care have improved and/or the virus has mutated since August.

          Hospitalizations are the numbers we want to watch as a predictive indicator for deaths, not total case counts. Testing has been increasing dramatically in an attempt to catch more asymptomatic cases to prevent spread. A higher percentage of these new cases will be asymptomatic or mild. We also need to remember there is about a 2 week latency from positive tests to hospitalizations and another 2 weeks to fatalities. So look at the case counts from October 15th and the Hospitalizations from the 29th to compare with today’s death totals..

          The Brad

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          • jon-nycJ Online
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            jon-nyc
            wrote on last edited by
            #29

            Hospitalizations are at an all-time high.

            Only non-witches get due process.

            • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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              LuFins Dad
              wrote on last edited by
              #30

              Yes, as was shown on George's graph and tacitly acknowledged in my reply that deaths would likely increase within 2 weeks...

              The Brad

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                LuFins Dad
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                #31

                The interesting thing is that the hospitalization wave started around 6 weeks ago, so we should have seen a corresponding increase in deaths, but we haven’t to this point.

                I have no doubt that we will see an increase, but am thinking it will be well less than proportionate to the hospitalization rate and far less than the increase in case counts.

                The Brad

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                  George K
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                  #32

                  I can’t find the article at the moment, but supposedly some asshats snuck into an ICU with cameras to try to prove that they really weren’t full.

                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                  • George KG George K

                    I can’t find the article at the moment, but supposedly some asshats snuck into an ICU with cameras to try to prove that they really weren’t full.

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                    Jolly
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                    #33

                    @George-K said in 104,000:

                    I can’t find the article at the moment, but supposedly some asshats snuck into an ICU with cameras to try to prove that they really weren’t full.

                    Go to jail. Go directly to jail, do not pass Go.

                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                      Loki
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #34

                      Regular beds can easily be flipped to an ICU bed. I have no idea why this is never mentioned.

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                        Copper
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                        #35

                        I thought the problem was the additional equipment associated with an ICU bed - specifically a ventilator.

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                        • CopperC Copper

                          I thought the problem was the additional equipment associated with an ICU bed - specifically a ventilator.

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                          LuFins Dad
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                          @Copper said in 104,000:

                          I thought the problem was the additional equipment associated with an ICU bed - specifically a ventilator.

                          I’m pretty sure they are avoiding ventilators at all cost and finding that they are causing more harm than good? Plus we’ve now got gadzooks numbers of ventilators....

                          The Brad

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                          • CopperC Copper

                            I thought the problem was the additional equipment associated with an ICU bed - specifically a ventilator.

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                            George K
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                            #37

                            @Copper said in 104,000:

                            I thought the problem was the additional equipment associated with an ICU bed - specifically a ventilator.

                            And staffing. You can’t have one nurse tending to a dozen patients.

                            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                            • L Loki

                              Regular beds can easily be flipped to an ICU bed. I have no idea why this is never mentioned.

                              JollyJ Offline
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                              Jolly
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #38

                              @Loki said in 104,000:

                              Regular beds can easily be flipped to an ICU bed. I have no idea why this is never mentioned.

                              Bless your heart, you don't know what you're talking about.

                              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                              • JollyJ Jolly

                                @Loki said in 104,000:

                                Regular beds can easily be flipped to an ICU bed. I have no idea why this is never mentioned.

                                Bless your heart, you don't know what you're talking about.

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                                Doctor Phibes
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                                @Jolly said in 104,000:

                                Bless your heart

                                LOL

                                I was only joking

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                                • JollyJ Jolly

                                  @Loki said in 104,000:

                                  Regular beds can easily be flipped to an ICU bed. I have no idea why this is never mentioned.

                                  Bless your heart, you don't know what you're talking about.

                                  L Offline
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                                  Loki
                                  wrote on last edited by Loki
                                  #40

                                  @Jolly said in 104,000:

                                  @Loki said in 104,000:

                                  Regular beds can easily be flipped to an ICU bed. I have no idea why this is never mentioned.

                                  Bless your heart, you don't know what you're talking about.

                                  So you are arguing that hospitals in general are at or near capacity and can’t take on new Covid patientsas a widespread issue?

                                  Good luck with that.

                                  I agree that finding enough clinicians will be an operational but doable headache.

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                                  • L Loki

                                    @Jolly said in 104,000:

                                    @Loki said in 104,000:

                                    Regular beds can easily be flipped to an ICU bed. I have no idea why this is never mentioned.

                                    Bless your heart, you don't know what you're talking about.

                                    So you are arguing that hospitals in general are at or near capacity and can’t take on new Covid patientsas a widespread issue?

                                    Good luck with that.

                                    I agree that finding enough clinicians will be an operational but doable headache.

                                    JollyJ Offline
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                                    Jolly
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #41

                                    @Loki said in 104,000:

                                    @Jolly said in 104,000:

                                    @Loki said in 104,000:

                                    Regular beds can easily be flipped to an ICU bed. I have no idea why this is never mentioned.

                                    Bless your heart, you don't know what you're talking about.

                                    So you are arguing that hospitals in general are at or near capacity and can’t take on new Covid patientsas a widespread issue?

                                    Good luck with that.

                                    I'm not arguing. I know what I'm talking about.

                                    You don't just wave a magic wand and create ICU beds. You can wave a magic wand and convert Med/Surg units, even cardiac units to COVID units, but not ICU units.

                                    And ICU nurses ain't floor nurses. The gap is wide and deep.

                                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                    • JollyJ Jolly

                                      @Loki said in 104,000:

                                      @Jolly said in 104,000:

                                      @Loki said in 104,000:

                                      Regular beds can easily be flipped to an ICU bed. I have no idea why this is never mentioned.

                                      Bless your heart, you don't know what you're talking about.

                                      So you are arguing that hospitals in general are at or near capacity and can’t take on new Covid patientsas a widespread issue?

                                      Good luck with that.

                                      I'm not arguing. I know what I'm talking about.

                                      You don't just wave a magic wand and create ICU beds. You can wave a magic wand and convert Med/Surg units, even cardiac units to COVID units, but not ICU units.

                                      And ICU nurses ain't floor nurses. The gap is wide and deep.

                                      L Offline
                                      L Offline
                                      Loki
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #42

                                      @Jolly said in 104,000:

                                      @Loki said in 104,000:

                                      @Jolly said in 104,000:

                                      @Loki said in 104,000:

                                      Regular beds can easily be flipped to an ICU bed. I have no idea why this is never mentioned.

                                      Bless your heart, you don't know what you're talking about.

                                      So you are arguing that hospitals in general are at or near capacity and can’t take on new Covid patientsas a widespread issue?

                                      Good luck with that.

                                      I'm not arguing. I know what I'm talking about.

                                      You don't just wave a magic wand and create ICU beds. You can wave a magic wand and convert Med/Surg units, even cardiac units to COVID units, but not ICU units.

                                      And ICU nurses ain't floor nurses. The gap is wide and deep.

                                      Never mind. We are talking past each other. I know what a traditional ICU bed is and it’s too bad you thought I was being literal about expanding that. Seriously, I’m done with this.

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