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  • RainmanR Offline
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    Rainman
    wrote on last edited by
    #96

    Thanks, Mark. I figured as much.

    My question was more towards once one or several measurements indicate something is wrong, how do you fix something?
    On a mechanical device, it's often easy to spot what is causing the problem, and where to spray the WD-40. On a computer, that would seem to be very difficult, wondering if the problem has been resolved or whether a symptom of the problem has been tweaked to offset a higher-level cause.
    Don't respond, I'm just being too negative based upon my own types of experiences. Even a computer, I'd whip out the old WD-40 and start spraying.

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    • markM Offline
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      wrote on last edited by
      #97

      Took a chance and spent $210 on a Hisense 43" 4k UHD Roku TV to try as a monitor.

      https://www.costco.com/hisense-43"-class---r6-series---4k-uhd-led-lcd-tv.product.100676488.html

      Very impressive, immersive, and tack sharp. So far it has been very usable/non-fatiguing for hours of coding, browsing and gaming. The number of lines of code I can see at once is awesome. The RC Heli simulators work very well on it. Looking forward to trying the new MS Flight Sim on it after I build the new PC.

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      • markM mark

        Took a chance and spent $210 on a Hisense 43" 4k UHD Roku TV to try as a monitor.

        https://www.costco.com/hisense-43"-class---r6-series---4k-uhd-led-lcd-tv.product.100676488.html

        Very impressive, immersive, and tack sharp. So far it has been very usable/non-fatiguing for hours of coding, browsing and gaming. The number of lines of code I can see at once is awesome. The RC Heli simulators work very well on it. Looking forward to trying the new MS Flight Sim on it after I build the new PC.

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        George K
        wrote on last edited by
        #98

        @mark said in Tell me about building a PC:

        UHD Roku TV to try as a monitor.

        Why did you decide to use that rather than a dedicated computer monitor?

        What about I/O ?

        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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        • George KG George K

          @mark said in Tell me about building a PC:

          UHD Roku TV to try as a monitor.

          Why did you decide to use that rather than a dedicated computer monitor?

          What about I/O ?

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          mark
          wrote on last edited by
          #99

          @George-K said in Tell me about building a PC:

          @mark said in Tell me about building a PC:

          UHD Roku TV to try as a monitor.

          Why did you decide to use that rather than a dedicated computer monitor?

          What about I/O ?

          Price/Performance was the overriding factor. Still considering the LG 38" Ultra-Wide 3780x1600 for $1,000 computer monitor if this proves to be less than ideal over the long term as far as comfort is concerned. Right now I do not see that as problem as it is sharp as a tack and easy on the eyes.

          I/O is not an issue. If it becomes one, I will just buy a hub.

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          • markM mark

            @George-K said in Tell me about building a PC:

            @mark said in Tell me about building a PC:

            UHD Roku TV to try as a monitor.

            Why did you decide to use that rather than a dedicated computer monitor?

            What about I/O ?

            Price/Performance was the overriding factor. Still considering the LG 38" Ultra-Wide 3780x1600 for $1,000 computer monitor if this proves to be less than ideal over the long term as far as comfort is concerned. Right now I do not see that as problem as it is sharp as a tack and easy on the eyes.

            I/O is not an issue. If it becomes one, I will just buy a hub.

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            George K
            wrote on last edited by
            #100

            @mark so you're hooking up via HDMI for the video?

            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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            • George KG George K

              @mark so you're hooking up via HDMI for the video?

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              wrote on last edited by
              #101

              @George-K said in Tell me about building a PC:

              @mark so you're hooking up via HDMI for the video?

              Yes. Using an HDMI 2.0b cable rated for 4k 4096x2160 @60Hz.

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              • markM Offline
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                mark
                wrote on last edited by
                #102

                I ended up having some issues with the 43" 4k TV. It is just too big in the vertical and I was getting a sore neck, always dragging windows into the center for comfortable viewing. Everything is very small including
                text at 100% resolution. Because of the smallness of everything, I had to sit closer to read text. Although it was awesome to see that many lines of code at one time, without having to scroll, the viewing angle made the edges actually disappear and wrap around the edge. Overall, I wasn't happy so I got the LG 38" 3740x1600 ultra wide, curved monitor.
                20201012-133428.jpg

                I also hooked up my Sony, 12" subwoofer. Combined with the JBL studio monitors, it makes nice A/V experience.

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                • markM Offline
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                  mark
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #103

                  AMD Ryzen 9 5950X Overclocked to 6.35 GHz Achieving Many World Records At Launch

                  alt text

                  https://techplusgame.com/amd-ryzen-9-5950x-overclocked-to-6-35-ghz-breaking-world-records-at-launch/

                  I Pre-Ordered 2 of them.

                  Case, Motherboard and power supply was ordered for the first build.

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                  • KlausK Offline
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                    Klaus
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #104

                    LED strips on the RAM? That must be the mullet of motherboard modding.

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                    • KlausK Klaus

                      LED strips on the RAM? That must be the mullet of motherboard modding.

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                      George K
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #105

                      @Klaus said in Tell me about building a PC:

                      LED strips on the RAM? That must be the mullet of motherboard modding.

                      Coffee...everywhere this morning.

                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                      • KlausK Klaus

                        LED strips on the RAM? That must be the mullet of motherboard modding.

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                        mark
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #106

                        @Klaus said in Tell me about building a PC:

                        LED strips on the RAM? That must be the mullet of motherboard modding.

                        Where have you been? PC builders get crazy with the RGB lighting effects and custom liquid cooling loops.

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                        • markM Offline
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                          mark
                          wrote on last edited by mark
                          #107

                          Some of the fastest (affordable) Memory only comes in RGB and some of the fastest ram looks like it belongs in a jewelry case.

                          alt text

                          The color is user assignable to any color in the RGB color space. They can be programmed to perform rainbow color waves, ripples, etc. The entire interior of the PC becomes a light show.

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                            mark
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #108

                            You have the option to turn it all off. My build is going to use some RGB components and I am still undecided on the custom liquid cooling loop stuff. It totally tickles the geek nerve to "plumb" a PC. lol

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                              Doctor Phibes
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #109

                              My last gaming rig had liquid cooling.

                              It was very quiet, and worked really well, right up until the point after about 4 years when it leaked and trashed the motherboard.

                              I was only joking

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                              • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                                My last gaming rig had liquid cooling.

                                It was very quiet, and worked really well, right up until the point after about 4 years when it leaked and trashed the motherboard.

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                                mark
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #110

                                @Doctor-Phibes Did you do any maintenance on it?

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                                  Doctor Phibes
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #111

                                  Of course not. Computers last for ever!

                                  I did quite a bit of research after the fact, of course 🙂

                                  I was only joking

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                                  • markM Offline
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                                    mark
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #112

                                    Water cooling does come with some risks. If I decide to go with water cooling of any ilk, (AIO or custom) I will be inspecting it on a regular basis for permeation and leaks. It does require a lot more diligence than air cooling. I have not ruled out a top quality air cooler.

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                                    • markM mark

                                      Water cooling does come with some risks. If I decide to go with water cooling of any ilk, (AIO or custom) I will be inspecting it on a regular basis for permeation and leaks. It does require a lot more diligence than air cooling. I have not ruled out a top quality air cooler.

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                                      xenon
                                      wrote on last edited by xenon
                                      #113

                                      @mark look into some of the big honking heat sinks and air coolers from Noctua, Mark.

                                      Aside from perhaps the most demanding overclocking - they both perform better and are quieter than liquid coolers (no pump).

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                                        Doctor Phibes
                                        wrote on last edited by Doctor Phibes
                                        #114

                                        After all the research I did, I got the impression that air cooling can be every bit as good as liquid, although not as quiet. I could be wrong about the noise, of course.

                                        I was only joking

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                                          @mark look into some of the big honking heat sinks and air coolers from Noctua, Mark.

                                          Aside from perhaps the most demanding overclocking - they both perform better and are quieter than liquid coolers (no pump).

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                                          mark
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #115

                                          @xenon Noctua is a great choice and they recently released an all black version of their flagship cpu cooler the NH-D15. Their original coolers are pretty ugly looking. That hardly matters to a closed, metal cabinet. My new case has a tempered glass panel on the one side. My new PC will have a semi outrageous, RGB lightshow available if I want.

                                          I also like the beQuiet Dark Rock Pro4.

                                          The top rated AIOs will keep a CPU cooler over long term high power consumption periods of time and a custom loop will also keep things even cooler.

                                          Yes, the top rated air towers do very well for most people and will even keep your system from crashing, but they can get overwhelmed easier than a liquid cooler especially in a warm environment, and the result will be thermal throttling of the CPU. That will have a negative impact on performance. Running the CPU at higher temperatures also contributes to degradation of the CPU over time.

                                          Is any of it noticeable to the average user? No.

                                          I am not an average user.

                                          I fully intend to overclock this PC to the fullest extent possible while retaining excellent reliability. I really want to, experiment with chilled liquid cooling. To see how far I can push it without going completely crazy and doing LN2. LN2 is so impractical as to be relegated to the benchmarking and world-record setting geeks.

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