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Hey Brenda! King Arthur question

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  • OptimisticO Optimistic

    Brenda, xenon, and others that bake. . .do you weigh your flour? I don't, and am wondering if I need to start doing so. Maybe that contributes to my crappy bread-making endeavors of late.

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    brenda
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    #18

    @Optimistic
    Opti, for bread, yes, weigh your flour until you get really comfortable making a certain recipe. The first several times I make a new recipe, I always weigh the flour. My challah bread is one I've made so many times, I can tell just by feel whether it needs more flour or liquid. My frequent pizza dough is the same way, I just measure and adjust. With varying humidity and temp, a given recipe will need tweaking to get the desired texture. On a cold winter day, I just know I'll have to add a bit more liquid. On a humid day, probably not.

    Something that new bakers sometimes find difficult to manage is the hydration level for the dough, especially if it's meant to be a wet dough, actually sticky. Don't be afraid of sticky dough. Just wet or oil your hands, or use a bench knife to move it around. A good high hydration will help you get a nice moist bread. The oven never adds moisture to your bread. LOL. You have to make sure it's moist before you bake it, and that often means a sticky dough. People keep adding more flour to make it easier to handle, and then they're disappointed with dry bread.
    Sticky is good!

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      How about a pizza crust made with beer?

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      • JollyJ Jolly

        How about a pizza crust made with beer?

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        Optimistic
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        #20

        @Jolly Sounds delicious!

        Ok, that´s it then, I´m sold on the scale. Most of my baking is cakes and cookies type-stuff, and I mostly stick to my favorite recipes. Working without a scale has not been an issue before. I´m also not really sure why I was able to have success with yeast dough years ago but lately not--but xenon, now I´m wondering if it´s because my baking ingredients are a bit on the older side, and maybe my flour has settled.

        Ok, what about about a thermometer to measure water temps for the dough? Necessary?

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          Just took delievry of 10lbs of KA Bread flour. This is a first. I usually just get Gold Medal at the grocery store. Always unbleached and all purpose. Although I did get some nice whole wheat flour a couple of weeks ago. I started substituting 1 1/2 cups of whole wheat flour for the same all purpose flour, in my sourdough bread recipe. Makes for a good hearty bread.

          And yes, as you get more loaves made under your belt you will just know by the feel of the dough. I never weigh or measure my flour.

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            I go between 110 and 120 degrees Fahrenheit for the water temp.

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            • markM mark

              Just took delievry of 10lbs of KA Bread flour. This is a first. I usually just get Gold Medal at the grocery store. Always unbleached and all purpose. Although I did get some nice whole wheat flour a couple of weeks ago. I started substituting 1 1/2 cups of whole wheat flour for the same all purpose flour, in my sourdough bread recipe. Makes for a good hearty bread.

              And yes, as you get more loaves made under your belt you will just know by the feel of the dough. I never weigh or measure my flour.

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              Optimistic
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              @mark
              Curious to hear what differences you note with the Bread Flour. I used to be just an all-purpose flour user, but recently got the Bread Flour. Actually, let me rephrase that. I decided to finally open the nice KAF Bread Flour I had in my stash, that had a use-by date of mid-2019 🙂 --says the gal who wonders why her bread didn´t turn out so great.

              I have a fresh bag of the Bread Flour waiting for me after I get a lot of practice with the older bag.

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                  YUP!

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                    Well, I have pre-cooked the sausage. I think we will sauce it with tomato-ricotta pesto on one and olive oil and garlic on the next. Hot and mild sausage, a blend of Italian cheeses, sliced fresh tomato and basil slivers after the bake.

                    I had one 17" crust pre-tossed and have cut it into fourths to fit our pans. Now I have a thick half sheet pan upside down in the oven at 550 to get it screaming hot. The pizza will go from a cornmeal dusted flat pan we are using as a peel direct to the hot stone, which is positioned in the bottom of the oven. We will see!

                    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                      Oh yeah, and a little fennel pollen after the bake too.

                      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                        #28

                        First piece. Pretty good.

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                          jon-nyc
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                          Damn that looks good.

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                            Very. Good size as well. I always have a tough time stretching the dough out and keeping it thin.

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                              well, this one was bought re-tossed and I cut it it into quarters to fit because I did not want to mess with re-stretching it. It cooked about 5.5 minutes and was a bit overdone. This one I'm trying 4 minutes.

                              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                              • OptimisticO Optimistic

                                @Jolly Sounds delicious!

                                Ok, that´s it then, I´m sold on the scale. Most of my baking is cakes and cookies type-stuff, and I mostly stick to my favorite recipes. Working without a scale has not been an issue before. I´m also not really sure why I was able to have success with yeast dough years ago but lately not--but xenon, now I´m wondering if it´s because my baking ingredients are a bit on the older side, and maybe my flour has settled.

                                Ok, what about about a thermometer to measure water temps for the dough? Necessary?

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                                brenda
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                                @Optimistic
                                Yes to the thermometer, too. Doesn't have to be expensive. I like my water to be about 108 to 110F, but anywhere from 108 to 112 is fine. I prefer to have it a little lower than 110, just because it seems like a little longer rise means I'm not rushing to get everything ready for shaping, etc. I tend to make large batches, so the prep for the step of shaping and putting the loaves on trays or in pans can take a little time. Plus, I'm usually multi-tasking, and I may need to finish up the thing that's my in-between project. I've heard that a slightly slower rise develops a nicer crumb, too, instead of the giant blowout bubbles. LOL I don't know that it matters for that reason. Mostly, I just like to have time for a little second project, even if it's just prepping for dinner.

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                                  I must preface this with I have never had much luck at pizza especially since it wasn't one of my favorite foods. Until I found real, chewy crust Neapolitan pizzas.

                                  Here's the next one, with a garlic olive oil and Italian seasoning base. It looks better. Turned it down to 500 and less time. The key is putting it on a hot surface down low in the oven.

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                                  “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                  • markM mark

                                    Just took delievry of 10lbs of KA Bread flour. This is a first. I usually just get Gold Medal at the grocery store. Always unbleached and all purpose. Although I did get some nice whole wheat flour a couple of weeks ago. I started substituting 1 1/2 cups of whole wheat flour for the same all purpose flour, in my sourdough bread recipe. Makes for a good hearty bread.

                                    And yes, as you get more loaves made under your belt you will just know by the feel of the dough. I never weigh or measure my flour.

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                                    brenda
                                    wrote on last edited by
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                                    @mark Yes, swapping some whole wheat into the recipes is yummy!

                                    I really like the bread flour for certain recipes. Not all of them need it. Usually, the recipe will say if it's the preferred type to use. If the recipe recommends bread flour, it's usually for the extra protein, which gives the bread more body.

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                                      brenda
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                                      @Aqua-Letifer LOL, Aqua!

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                                      • MikM Mik

                                        Oh yeah, and a little fennel pollen after the bake too.

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                                        brenda
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                                        @Mik I add both whole and ground fennel to my homemade sauce. LOVE IT!!! Lots of other spices in the sauce, too, but the fennel puts it over the top and makes it extra good.

                                        If we're having some grass-fed ground pork on the pizza, I sometimes sprinkle a little more ground fennel on it. Pork and fennel are a match made in heaven.

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                                        • MikM Mik

                                          First piece. Pretty good.

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                                          brenda
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                                          @Mik Darn good pizza there, Mik!

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