"Can I change my vote?"
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@Jolly said in "Can I change my vote?":
If you can't function at a sixth grade level, I see no reason you should be allowed to vote.
You succumbed to the tyranny of low expectations. You should set the bar higher at allowing only people who can function at Bachelor’s degree level to vote.
... why people who do not own property, should be allowed to vote on property taxes.
Because renters pay rents that then pay property taxes.
I see no reason, except for military stationed overseas, why anybody should be allowed to vote by mail.
Because there is nothing wrong with voting by mail.
In order for the republic to function, citizens need to be educated to a certain minimal point, they need to have some skin in the game and they need to put forth a certain level of effort to vote.
Yeah, let that minimal point of education be a college degree, let that skin in the game be having paid federal income tax of at least $751 per year in each of the years since the last election cycle, and the certain level of effort being to register as a voter, fill out a ballot, and put it in the mail.
Feel free to ask me where that $751 threshold comes from.
@Axtremus said in "Can I change my vote?":
@Jolly said in "Can I change my vote?":
If you can't function at a sixth grade level, I see no reason you should be allowed to vote.
You succumbed to the tyranny of low expectations. You should set the bar higher at allowing only people who can function at Bachelor’s degree level to vote.
... why people who do not own property, should be allowed to vote on property taxes.
Because renters pay rents that then pay property taxes.
I see no reason, except for military stationed overseas, why anybody should be allowed to vote by mail.
Because there is nothing wrong with voting by mail.
In order for the republic to function, citizens need to be educated to a certain minimal point, they need to have some skin in the game and they need to put forth a certain level of effort to vote.
Yeah, let that minimal point of education be a college degree, let that skin in the game be having paid federal income tax of at least $751 per year in each of the years since the last election cycle, and the certain level of effort being to register as a voter, fill out a ballot, and put it in the mail.
Feel free to ask me where that $751 threshold comes from.
You are such a fucking idiot it's an embarrassment.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in "Can I change my vote?":
@Aqua-Letifer said in "Can I change my vote?":
Probably the biggest argument for Jolly's anti-mail-in stance.
https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=now 7-d&geo=US&q=Is the earth flat#TIMESERIES
This one's a pretty good argument for not letting the fucking idiots vote in the first place.
I'm all for not letting idiots vote.
If you can't function at a sixth grade level, I see no reason you should be allowed to vote.
I see no reason why people who do not own property, should be allowed to vote on property taxes.
I see no reason, except for military stationed overseas, why anybody should be allowed to vote by mail.
In order for the republic to function, citizens need to be educated to a certain minimal point, they need to have some skin in the game and they need to put forth a certain level of effort to vote.
@Jolly said in "Can I change my vote?":
@Doctor-Phibes said in "Can I change my vote?":
@Aqua-Letifer said in "Can I change my vote?":
Probably the biggest argument for Jolly's anti-mail-in stance.
https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=now 7-d&geo=US&q=Is the earth flat#TIMESERIES
I see no reason why people who do not own property, should be allowed to vote on property taxes.
In order for the republic to function, citizens need to be educated to a certain minimal point, they need to have some skin in the game and they need to put forth a certain level of effort to vote.
The argument for property taxes doesn't make sense, since if they're renting it out to others they're just passing the cost along to their tenants, who are indirectly paying the tax.
I also think that excluding unsuccessful people from voting will further disenfranchise them, leading to further divisions, anger, and in the end, violence.
I was only joking
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@Jolly said in "Can I change my vote?":
@Doctor-Phibes said in "Can I change my vote?":
@Aqua-Letifer said in "Can I change my vote?":
Probably the biggest argument for Jolly's anti-mail-in stance.
https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=now 7-d&geo=US&q=Is the earth flat#TIMESERIES
I see no reason why people who do not own property, should be allowed to vote on property taxes.
In order for the republic to function, citizens need to be educated to a certain minimal point, they need to have some skin in the game and they need to put forth a certain level of effort to vote.
The argument for property taxes doesn't make sense, since if they're renting it out to others they're just passing the cost along to their tenants, who are indirectly paying the tax.
I also think that excluding unsuccessful people from voting will further disenfranchise them, leading to further divisions, anger, and in the end, violence.
@Doctor-Phibes said in "Can I change my vote?":
I also think that excluding unsuccessful people from voting will further disenfranchise them, leading to further divisions, anger, and in the end, violence.
Motivate them to succeed.
It's OK and it actually works well.
It's not mean.
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@Jolly @Mik I respectively disagree with you. I think voting is a right for every citizen, regardless.
For example, my mother has the equivalent of a Grade 3 education. She did work, but mainly "cash type jobs" (cleaning rooms, working at a street side food stall, etc.), so no "official" income. Is she informed about politics? Yes, but her information resources are different than someone who is college educated.
What is your definition of informed? And who makes that decision.
My father had the equivalent of an Grade 8 education.
Should either of them be allowed to vote?
I would say that you two guys are quite informed. I would also say that Axtremus is quite informed. But I am pretty sure that there will be opposite picks in the President race between the three of you.
How can that be? How can three highly informed people come to a different result?
Being "informed" does not mean people dont cast bad votes.
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You misunderstand. My contention is not that you should have a certain level of education but that you are able to show you understand what and who are being voted on. I know lots of folks without a lot of education that are plenty smart and informed.
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You misunderstand. My contention is not that you should have a certain level of education but that you are able to show you understand what and who are being voted on. I know lots of folks without a lot of education that are plenty smart and informed.
@Mik said in "Can I change my vote?":
You misunderstand. My contention is not that you should have a certain level of education but that you are able to show you understand what and who are being voted on. I know lots of folks without a lot of education that are plenty smart and informed.
But how do you do that? My mother does not read or write very well. Do you call every possible voter? Do you go door to door? Do you ask them questions at the poll place?
I agree that it is important for a person to know what they are voting for, but for me, the "right" to vote is even more important and weighs more than that.
(As a side note, it is interesting in less developed countries and areas how they handle voting. Since some people may not be able to read and may have no identification, the candidates are listed by picture or their party picture and your thumb is dipped in a bright permanent ink after you have voted)
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@Mik said in "Can I change my vote?":
There is a difference between unsuccessful and irresponsible.
Not being able to afford a house doesn't imply irresponsibility. There's lot's of reasons for it.
I don't think I'm quite ready for a discussion by a bunch of educated middle class people bemoaning the fact that the poor are allowed to vote.
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In general, I thought the idea was to encourage more people to vote, not less.
Sorry, fewer.
I was only joking
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If you learned to express yourself more precisely, we wouldn't have this problem.
Use your words.
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@taiwan_girl said in "Can I change my vote?":
How can that be? How can three highly informed people come to a different result?
Yeah, but Ax is wrong.
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In general, I thought the idea was to encourage more people to vote, not less.
Sorry, fewer.
@Doctor-Phibes said in "Can I change my vote?":
In general, I thought the idea was to encourage more people to vote, not less.
Sorry, fewer.
No, the idea is to get better informed voters...
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@Jolly said in "Can I change my vote?":
@Doctor-Phibes said in "Can I change my vote?":
@Aqua-Letifer said in "Can I change my vote?":
Probably the biggest argument for Jolly's anti-mail-in stance.
https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=now 7-d&geo=US&q=Is the earth flat#TIMESERIES
I see no reason why people who do not own property, should be allowed to vote on property taxes.
In order for the republic to function, citizens need to be educated to a certain minimal point, they need to have some skin in the game and they need to put forth a certain level of effort to vote.
The argument for property taxes doesn't make sense, since if they're renting it out to others they're just passing the cost along to their tenants, who are indirectly paying the tax.
I also think that excluding unsuccessful people from voting will further disenfranchise them, leading to further divisions, anger, and in the end, violence.
@Doctor-Phibes said in "Can I change my vote?":
@Jolly said in "Can I change my vote?":
@Doctor-Phibes said in "Can I change my vote?":
@Aqua-Letifer said in "Can I change my vote?":
Probably the biggest argument for Jolly's anti-mail-in stance.
https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=now 7-d&geo=US&q=Is the earth flat#TIMESERIES
I see no reason why people who do not own property, should be allowed to vote on property taxes.
In order for the republic to function, citizens need to be educated to a certain minimal point, they need to have some skin in the game and they need to put forth a certain level of effort to vote.
The argument for property taxes doesn't make sense, since if they're renting it out to others they're just passing the cost along to their tenants, who are indirectly paying the tax.
I also think that excluding unsuccessful people from voting will further disenfranchise them, leading to further divisions, anger, and in the end, violence.
You're thinking in terms of only urban real estate. Factor in farms and suburbia. People should not be allowed to vote a tax on only some people in the taxing district, while they pay nothing.
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I just dont think that there should be any further "tests" to be able to vote.
No economic tests (Do you make more than X USD?)
No education test (Did you complete past Grade X in school?)
No civics test (Name at least two people running for President?)Etc.
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I just dont think that there should be any further "tests" to be able to vote.
No economic tests (Do you make more than X USD?)
No education test (Did you complete past Grade X in school?)
No civics test (Name at least two people running for President?)Etc.
I agree everyone, let them all vote
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I just dont think that there should be any further "tests" to be able to vote.
No economic tests (Do you make more than X USD?)
No education test (Did you complete past Grade X in school?)
No civics test (Name at least two people running for President?)Etc.
@taiwan_girl said in "Can I change my vote?":
I just dont think that there should be any further "tests" to be able to vote.
No economic tests (Do you make more than X USD?)
No education test (Did you complete past Grade X in school?)
No civics test (Name at least two people running for President?)Etc.
For a republic to function, the citizens must be educated and have skin in the game. To do otherwise, means an eventual end to the republic.
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@taiwan_girl said in "Can I change my vote?":
I just dont think that there should be any further "tests" to be able to vote.
No economic tests (Do you make more than X USD?)
No education test (Did you complete past Grade X in school?)
No civics test (Name at least two people running for President?)Etc.
For a republic to function, the citizens must be educated and have skin in the game. To do otherwise, means an eventual end to the republic.
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I have no problem with a street sweeper. He or she is helping row the boat. It's those who are able to contribute in some way but do not that I object to being able to vote on how my contributions should be used. That and those who do not understand what they are voting for on even a rudimentary level.
