Trump to quarantine awaiting Covid test
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Trump triumphantly returns to spread more virus.
Trump to speak, today, from White House balcony to a crowd of supported on the South Lawn.
Also, “ Trump’s campaign announced that he would lead a rally in Florida on Monday at an airport hangar, similar to the events he had been doing before his diagnosis.”
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Trump triumphantly returns to spread more virus.
Trump to speak, today, from White House balcony to a crowd of supported on the South Lawn.
Also, “ Trump’s campaign announced that he would lead a rally in Florida on Monday at an airport hangar, similar to the events he had been doing before his diagnosis.”
@Axtremus said in Trump to quarantine awaiting Covid test:
Trump triumphantly returns to spread more virus.
Trump to speak, today, from White House balcony to a crowd of supported on the South Lawn.
Also, “ Trump’s campaign announced that he would lead a rally in Florida on Monday at an airport hangar, similar to the events he had been doing before his diagnosis.”
Yes, Mr. Trump loves to try to kill people with the virus.
And people who vote for him are stupid.
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Trump triumphantly returns to spread more virus.
Trump to speak, today, from White House balcony to a crowd of supported on the South Lawn.
Also, “ Trump’s campaign announced that he would lead a rally in Florida on Monday at an airport hangar, similar to the events he had been doing before his diagnosis.”
@Axtremus said in Trump to quarantine awaiting Covid test:
Trump triumphantly returns to spread more virus.
Trump to speak, today, from White House balcony to a crowd of supported on the South Lawn.
Also, “ Trump’s campaign announced that he would lead a rally in Florida on Monday at an airport hangar, similar to the events he had been doing before his diagnosis.”
Just yesterday people were speculating he was hiding his health. Coighing, stuttering Today he is vigorous as ever. You guys make it easy for him to defy the odds. The left is literally making him Superman.
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Trump’s televised medical interview with Dr. Seigel on Fox News, video embedded in webpage:
https://nypost.com/2020/10/09/trump-undergoes-medical-exam-on-fox-news-in-first-tv-interview/
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Trump’s televised medical interview with Dr. Seigel on Fox News, video embedded in webpage:
https://nypost.com/2020/10/09/trump-undergoes-medical-exam-on-fox-news-in-first-tv-interview/
@Axtremus said in Trump to quarantine awaiting Covid test:
Trump’s televised medical interview with Dr. Seigel on Fox News, video embedded in webpage:
https://nypost.com/2020/10/09/trump-undergoes-medical-exam-on-fox-news-in-first-tv-interview/
What matters is how Trump presents and today you would never know he was 74 much less had Covid. Why does this matter. LOL
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Trump worshipper in India who fasted when he learnt that Trump contracted COVID-19 died of cardiac arrest.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/14/world/asia/india-trump-fan-dies.html
NEW DELHI — In India, where throngs admire President Trump, one rural farmer worshiped him like a god, praying to a life-size statue of Mr. Trump in his backyard every morning.
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His village’s headman said that the young farmer, Bussa Krishna, had been drawn to Mr. Trump’s “straightforward ways and blunt speech.”
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When Mr. Trump announced he had tested positive for the coronavirus, it devastated Mr. Krishna. The farmer posted a tearful video on Facebook, in which he said: “I feel very sad that my god, Trump, has contracted the coronavirus. I ask everyone to pray for his speedy recovery.”
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He stopped eating to show solidarity with his idol’s suffering from Covid-19, his family said. He fell into a deep depression. On Sunday, he died of cardiac arrest.
...Condolences to the late Mr. Krishna’s family and loved ones.
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Trump worshipper in India who fasted when he learnt that Trump contracted COVID-19 died of cardiac arrest.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/14/world/asia/india-trump-fan-dies.html
NEW DELHI — In India, where throngs admire President Trump, one rural farmer worshiped him like a god, praying to a life-size statue of Mr. Trump in his backyard every morning.
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His village’s headman said that the young farmer, Bussa Krishna, had been drawn to Mr. Trump’s “straightforward ways and blunt speech.”
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When Mr. Trump announced he had tested positive for the coronavirus, it devastated Mr. Krishna. The farmer posted a tearful video on Facebook, in which he said: “I feel very sad that my god, Trump, has contracted the coronavirus. I ask everyone to pray for his speedy recovery.”
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He stopped eating to show solidarity with his idol’s suffering from Covid-19, his family said. He fell into a deep depression. On Sunday, he died of cardiac arrest.
...Condolences to the late Mr. Krishna’s family and loved ones.
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https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/524911-mark-meadows-tests-positive-for-coronavirus
Trump’s Chief of Staff Mark Meadows tested positive for COVID-19.
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https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/06/us/politics/trump-covid-blood-oxygen.html
On Friday, Oct. 2, 2020, hours after the president announced on Twitter that he had tested positive for the virus, he recorded a blood oxygen level of about 86 percent, Mr. Meadows wrote. That is roughly 10 points below what would be considered normal. Most healthy people have a blood oxygen level of about 95 to 98 percent, although some people may have lower normal readings.
Just so everyone understands, the percentage of O2 saturation says that his red blood cells are carrying 86% of the O2 they're capable of.
The dangerous thing is that the correlation between how much oxygen you're exposed to and how much your blood can carry is not linear. At about 85% or so, the curve starts to fall steeply, meaning that the hemoglobin is more likely to RELEASE oxygen than to carry it to tissues.
Whenever I saw SpO2 of less than 90, I would get worried - very worried. This turn to shit quickly below that.
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Yes, but from what I remember, haven’t they found that for some reason COVID patients did okay with lower O2 levels than what would have been expected and one of the biggest mistakes made early on in treatment was venting these patients too early?
The Brad
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Yes, but from what I remember, haven’t they found that for some reason COVID patients did okay with lower O2 levels than what would have been expected and one of the biggest mistakes made early on in treatment was venting these patients too early?
@lufins-dad said in Trump to quarantine awaiting Covid test:
biggest mistakes made early on in treatment was venting these patients too early?
For the medical folks here, are there better protocols now on treating covid patients? I remember something about massages to move the mucous around, etc.
Do any anti-virals work or is treatment mostly just "wait and see"?
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@lufins-dad said in Trump to quarantine awaiting Covid test:
biggest mistakes made early on in treatment was venting these patients too early?
For the medical folks here, are there better protocols now on treating covid patients? I remember something about massages to move the mucous around, etc.
Do any anti-virals work or is treatment mostly just "wait and see"?
@xenon said in Trump to quarantine awaiting Covid test:
@lufins-dad said in Trump to quarantine awaiting Covid test:
biggest mistakes made early on in treatment was venting these patients too early?
For the medical folks here, are there better protocols now on treating covid patients? I remember something about massages to move the mucous around, etc.
Do any anti-virals work or is treatment mostly just "wait and see"?
Well we know that the Monoclonal Antibodies have been effective, the Merck pill is being used under EA and is effective, I am sure there are others…
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Yes, but from what I remember, haven’t they found that for some reason COVID patients did okay with lower O2 levels than what would have been expected and one of the biggest mistakes made early on in treatment was venting these patients too early?
@lufins-dad said in Trump to quarantine awaiting Covid test:
Yes, but from what I remember, haven’t they found that for some reason COVID patients did okay with lower O2 levels than what would have been expected and one of the biggest mistakes made early on in treatment was venting these patients too early?
Indeed.
One has to understand that ventilation ≠ oxygenation. Ventilation is simply moving air in and out of the lungs. One reason to put someone on a ventilator is when they can no longer sustain the work of breathing (muscle fatigue, whatever). In fact, you can put someone on a ventilator at low inspired O2 levels (FiO2) - typical as low as 25-30%. Remember room air is 21%.
In the last decades, algorithms were developed which pointed to when someone should be put on a ventilator. One of the criteria was the SpO2, which presumably meant that the lungs were falling and the patient couldn't sustain that work, he needed help. As you point out, in the case of SARS-CoV-2 infection, that thinking was frequently wrong.
There are a couple of factors at play.
- Oxygen, by itself, is toxic, so you always want to give the least amount compatible with stability and maintenance of organ function.
- Ventilators are dangerous. Pushing air in, particularly into stiff lungs (from disease) can cause "barotrauma" - you can "pop" a lung if the pressure's too high. Not only that, pulmonary hygiene is difficult, predisposing to infection, etc.
So, as far as COVID goes, the thinking has changed to avoid ventilation as much as possible, and use as high an FiO2 as necessary to maintain patient comfort, rather than treating numbers.
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@lufins-dad said in Trump to quarantine awaiting Covid test:
Yes, but from what I remember, haven’t they found that for some reason COVID patients did okay with lower O2 levels than what would have been expected and one of the biggest mistakes made early on in treatment was venting these patients too early?
Indeed.
One has to understand that ventilation ≠ oxygenation. Ventilation is simply moving air in and out of the lungs. One reason to put someone on a ventilator is when they can no longer sustain the work of breathing (muscle fatigue, whatever). In fact, you can put someone on a ventilator at low inspired O2 levels (FiO2) - typical as low as 25-30%. Remember room air is 21%.
In the last decades, algorithms were developed which pointed to when someone should be put on a ventilator. One of the criteria was the SpO2, which presumably meant that the lungs were falling and the patient couldn't sustain that work, he needed help. As you point out, in the case of SARS-CoV-2 infection, that thinking was frequently wrong.
There are a couple of factors at play.
- Oxygen, by itself, is toxic, so you always want to give the least amount compatible with stability and maintenance of organ function.
- Ventilators are dangerous. Pushing air in, particularly into stiff lungs (from disease) can cause "barotrauma" - you can "pop" a lung if the pressure's too high. Not only that, pulmonary hygiene is difficult, predisposing to infection, etc.
So, as far as COVID goes, the thinking has changed to avoid ventilation as much as possible, and use as high an FiO2 as necessary to maintain patient comfort, rather than treating numbers.
