Great Barrington Declaration
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wrote on 8 Oct 2020, 22:03 last edited by jon-nyc 10 Aug 2020, 22:04
Reading this I thought it must be from April. We don't have any lockdown policies. Our restaurants, schools, and cultural institutions are open. You can fly anywhere. Ok, no Carnegie Hall this year, but my son managed to get vaccinated all the same. We go to our doctors. Even our dentists.
Oh, and this is a nice political grunt, but epidemiologically illiterate:
People who are more at risk may participate if they wish, while society as a whole enjoys the protection conferred upon the vulnerable by those who have built up herd immunity.
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Reading this I thought it must be from April. We don't have any lockdown policies. Our restaurants, schools, and cultural institutions are open. You can fly anywhere. Ok, no Carnegie Hall this year, but my son managed to get vaccinated all the same. We go to our doctors. Even our dentists.
Oh, and this is a nice political grunt, but epidemiologically illiterate:
People who are more at risk may participate if they wish, while society as a whole enjoys the protection conferred upon the vulnerable by those who have built up herd immunity.
wrote on 8 Oct 2020, 22:08 last edited by@jon-nyc said in Great Barrington Declaration:
We don't have any lockdown policies
You, in New York?
Didn't Cuomo threaten to shut down synagogues?
Perhaps the question is what "lockdown" means?
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wrote on 8 Oct 2020, 22:14 last edited by
We have six clusters, a couple of zip codes each, that are limiting house of worship capacity to either 25%, 33%, or 50% depending on their severity.
It’s making the news though.
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We have six clusters, a couple of zip codes each, that are limiting house of worship capacity to either 25%, 33%, or 50% depending on their severity.
It’s making the news though.
wrote on 8 Oct 2020, 22:16 last edited by@jon-nyc said in Great Barrington Declaration:
We have six clusters, a couple of zip codes each, that are limiting house of worship capacity to either 25%, 33%, or 50% depending on their severity.
So, is that a 'lockdown' or no?
Didn't I see a video of Cuomo threatening to shut down Catholic and Jewish houses of worship? That's not a 'lockdown?'
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wrote on 8 Oct 2020, 22:40 last edited by
"The most compassionate approach that balances the risks and benefits of reaching herd immunity, is to allow those who are at minimal risk of death to live their lives normally to build up immunity to the virus through natural infection, while better protecting those who are at highest risk. We call this Focused Protection. "
This makes sense, it could help a lot of people.
But first, is this a democrat or republican thing?
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Reading this I thought it must be from April. We don't have any lockdown policies. Our restaurants, schools, and cultural institutions are open. You can fly anywhere. Ok, no Carnegie Hall this year, but my son managed to get vaccinated all the same. We go to our doctors. Even our dentists.
Oh, and this is a nice political grunt, but epidemiologically illiterate:
People who are more at risk may participate if they wish, while society as a whole enjoys the protection conferred upon the vulnerable by those who have built up herd immunity.
wrote on 8 Oct 2020, 23:09 last edited by@jon-nyc said in Great Barrington Declaration:
Reading this I thought it must be from April. We don't have any lockdown policies. Our restaurants, schools, and cultural institutions are open. You can fly anywhere. Ok, no Carnegie Hall this year, but my son managed to get vaccinated all the same. We go to our doctors. Even our dentists.
Oh, and this is a nice political grunt, but epidemiologically illiterate:
People who are more at risk may participate if they wish, while society as a whole enjoys the protection conferred upon the vulnerable by those who have built up herd immunity.
Haha. Restaurants are dead, airline travel is dead, entertainment is dead tourism is dead, college graduates have no jobs and most college kids are learning remotely.
I think I must misunderstand you.
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wrote on 8 Oct 2020, 23:18 last edited by jon-nyc 10 Aug 2020, 23:18
No you’re making the mistake so many Covid doves make, assuming all this is driven by policy instead of (mostly) by individual preferences.
It sometimes strikes me as a form of denial, like we could just will this thing away.
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No you’re making the mistake so many Covid doves make, assuming all this is driven by policy instead of (mostly) by individual preferences.
It sometimes strikes me as a form of denial, like we could just will this thing away.
wrote on 8 Oct 2020, 23:23 last edited by@jon-nyc said in Great Barrington Declaration:
No you’re making the mistake so many Covid doves make, assuming all this is driven by policy instead of (mostly) by individual preferences.
It sometimes strikes me as a form of denial, like we could just will this thing away.
I was much more afraid after 9/11 yet continued to get on planes and live a normal life as many felt it important to not let fear drive our lives. This was reinforced by messaging. I stay home now because that is what I hear 100 times a day to do.
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@jon-nyc said in Great Barrington Declaration:
No you’re making the mistake so many Covid doves make, assuming all this is driven by policy instead of (mostly) by individual preferences.
It sometimes strikes me as a form of denial, like we could just will this thing away.
I was much more afraid after 9/11 yet continued to get on planes and live a normal life as many felt it important to not let fear drive our lives. This was reinforced by messaging. I stay home now because that is what I hear 100 times a day to do.
wrote on 8 Oct 2020, 23:25 last edited by xenon 10 Aug 2020, 23:25@Loki said in Great Barrington Declaration:
@jon-nyc said in Great Barrington Declaration:
No you’re making the mistake so many Covid doves make, assuming all this is driven by policy instead of (mostly) by individual preferences.
It sometimes strikes me as a form of denial, like we could just will this thing away.
I was much more afraid after 9/11 yet continued to get on planes and live a normal life as many felt it important to not let fear drive our lives. This was reinforced by messaging. I stay home now because that is what I hear 100 times a day to do.
You were afraid of flying after 9/11? I’d think any highjacker in the US after 9/11 is liable to be ripped limb from limb.
That and a locked cockpit door.
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@Loki said in Great Barrington Declaration:
@jon-nyc said in Great Barrington Declaration:
No you’re making the mistake so many Covid doves make, assuming all this is driven by policy instead of (mostly) by individual preferences.
It sometimes strikes me as a form of denial, like we could just will this thing away.
I was much more afraid after 9/11 yet continued to get on planes and live a normal life as many felt it important to not let fear drive our lives. This was reinforced by messaging. I stay home now because that is what I hear 100 times a day to do.
You were afraid of flying after 9/11? I’d think any highjacker in the US after 9/11 is liable to be ripped limb from limb.
That and a locked cockpit door.
wrote on 9 Oct 2020, 00:48 last edited by@xenon said in Great Barrington Declaration:
@Loki said in Great Barrington Declaration:
@jon-nyc said in Great Barrington Declaration:
No you’re making the mistake so many Covid doves make, assuming all this is driven by policy instead of (mostly) by individual preferences.
It sometimes strikes me as a form of denial, like we could just will this thing away.
I was much more afraid after 9/11 yet continued to get on planes and live a normal life as many felt it important to not let fear drive our lives. This was reinforced by messaging. I stay home now because that is what I hear 100 times a day to do.
You were afraid of flying after 9/11? I’d think any highjacker in the US after 9/11 is liable to be ripped limb from limb.
That and a locked cockpit door.
LOL Agree. When I first started to go to DPRK, people ask if I was afraid, as it was such a dangerous country. I reply that internally, it is probably the safest country in the world.
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@xenon said in Great Barrington Declaration:
@Loki said in Great Barrington Declaration:
@jon-nyc said in Great Barrington Declaration:
No you’re making the mistake so many Covid doves make, assuming all this is driven by policy instead of (mostly) by individual preferences.
It sometimes strikes me as a form of denial, like we could just will this thing away.
I was much more afraid after 9/11 yet continued to get on planes and live a normal life as many felt it important to not let fear drive our lives. This was reinforced by messaging. I stay home now because that is what I hear 100 times a day to do.
You were afraid of flying after 9/11? I’d think any highjacker in the US after 9/11 is liable to be ripped limb from limb.
That and a locked cockpit door.
LOL Agree. When I first started to go to DPRK, people ask if I was afraid, as it was such a dangerous country. I reply that internally, it is probably the safest country in the world.
wrote on 9 Oct 2020, 01:23 last edited by@taiwan_girl said in Great Barrington Declaration:
@xenon said in Great Barrington Declaration:
@Loki said in Great Barrington Declaration:
@jon-nyc said in Great Barrington Declaration:
No you’re making the mistake so many Covid doves make, assuming all this is driven by policy instead of (mostly) by individual preferences.
It sometimes strikes me as a form of denial, like we could just will this thing away.
I was much more afraid after 9/11 yet continued to get on planes and live a normal life as many felt it important to not let fear drive our lives. This was reinforced by messaging. I stay home now because that is what I hear 100 times a day to do.
You were afraid of flying after 9/11? I’d think any highjacker in the US after 9/11 is liable to be ripped limb from limb.
That and a locked cockpit door.
LOL Agree. When I first started to go to DPRK, people ask if I was afraid, as it was such a dangerous country. I reply that internally, it is probably the safest country in the world.
Well there were about 5 of us on flights for a while so I’m not imagining things. I was one of the five.
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wrote on 9 Oct 2020, 01:31 last edited by
I flew on September 11, 2002.
It was easily the quietest flight I've ever been on. I tried to do it again a year later, but didn't manage to swing it.
I think people remember being a lot less scared than they actually were.
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wrote on 9 Oct 2020, 02:35 last edited by jon-nyc 10 Sept 2020, 02:35
I flew later in September to Toronto. 9/11 definitely affected me because the immigration guys were scouring through passports and they found my dubious trip to Cuba. I got pulled out of line and questioned. Thought I was going to miss my flight (recall the US has agents in Toronto and Montreal so you go through immigration and customs before boarding)
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I flew later in September to Toronto. 9/11 definitely affected me because the immigration guys were scouring through passports and they found my dubious trip to Cuba. I got pulled out of line and questioned. Thought I was going to miss my flight (recall the US has agents in Toronto and Montreal so you go through immigration and customs before boarding)
wrote on 9 Oct 2020, 03:04 last edited byI was on a first flight on 9/11. When we landed someone was on a cellphone next to me and said one of the towers was hit by a little plane. It must have been just before 9:00 am.