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  • JollyJ Offline
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    Jolly
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    #1

    2 Timothy 1:7
    7 For God has not given us a spirit of fear, but of power and of love and of a sound mind.

    Be prudent, but do not let COVID make you live your life in fear.

    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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    • jon-nycJ Offline
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      #2

      Prudent: what I do to avoid Covid.

      Fear: what that guy over there is doing.

      Stupidity/selfishness: what that other guy over there is doing

      Ok, no problem Jolly.

      Only non-witches get due process.

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      • MikM Away
        MikM Away
        Mik
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        #3

        Still, he has a point. Be cautious, not fearful.

        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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          #4

          Fortunately everyone who feels even a little bit sick, has access to 50 doctors to Wait on them hand and foot. And also has access to the latest and greatest medicines and technologies that are available.

          To me, a very tone deaf statement. But again, as is usual with President Trump, if you agree with him, he says the smartest things. If you disagree with him, he says the dumbest things.

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          • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

            Fortunately everyone who feels even a little bit sick, has access to 50 doctors to Wait on them hand and foot. And also has access to the latest and greatest medicines and technologies that are available.

            To me, a very tone deaf statement. But again, as is usual with President Trump, if you agree with him, he says the smartest things. If you disagree with him, he says the dumbest things.

            JollyJ Offline
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            Jolly
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            #5

            @taiwan_girl said in Living In Fear:

            Fortunately everyone who feels even a little bit sick, has access to 50 doctors to Wait on them hand and foot. And also has access to the latest and greatest medicines and technologies that are available.

            To me, a very tone deaf statement. But again, as is usual with President Trump, if you agree with him, he says the smartest things. If you disagree with him, he says the dumbest things.

            Do you still fly?

            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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            • JollyJ Jolly

              @taiwan_girl said in Living In Fear:

              Fortunately everyone who feels even a little bit sick, has access to 50 doctors to Wait on them hand and foot. And also has access to the latest and greatest medicines and technologies that are available.

              To me, a very tone deaf statement. But again, as is usual with President Trump, if you agree with him, he says the smartest things. If you disagree with him, he says the dumbest things.

              Do you still fly?

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              taiwan_girl
              wrote on last edited by
              #6

              @Jolly I’ve done some infra Asia flights.

              The problem is that going back to Thailand, I have to quarantine for 14 days in a government hotel, no exceptions. Have to really plan things out in advance.

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              • JollyJ Offline
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                Jolly
                wrote on last edited by
                #7

                You shouldn't fly.

                You can be exposed to COVID, flying in a pressurized metal tube with strangers.

                Why would you risk death?

                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                • JollyJ Jolly

                  You shouldn't fly.

                  You can be exposed to COVID, flying in a pressurized metal tube with strangers.

                  Why would you risk death?

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                  taiwan_girl
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                  #8

                  @Jolly said in Living In Fear:

                  You shouldn't fly.

                  You can be exposed to COVID, flying in a pressurized metal tube with strangers.

                  Why would you risk death?

                  Because I wear a mask 100% of the time, wear gloves while flying. I practice social distancing.

                  Words are great, but actions also speak loud. Do you really think that President Trump, by his actions, has set a good example in doing things regarding proper precautions?

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                  • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                    @Jolly said in Living In Fear:

                    You shouldn't fly.

                    You can be exposed to COVID, flying in a pressurized metal tube with strangers.

                    Why would you risk death?

                    Because I wear a mask 100% of the time, wear gloves while flying. I practice social distancing.

                    Words are great, but actions also speak loud. Do you really think that President Trump, by his actions, has set a good example in doing things regarding proper precautions?

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                    Jolly
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                    #9

                    @taiwan_girl said in Living In Fear:

                    @Jolly said in Living In Fear:

                    You shouldn't fly.

                    You can be exposed to COVID, flying in a pressurized metal tube with strangers.

                    Why would you risk death?

                    Because I wear a mask 100% of the time, wear gloves while flying. I practice social distancing.

                    Words are great, but actions also speak loud. Do you really think that President Trump, by his actions, has set a good example in doing things regarding proper precautions?

                    Everything ain't about Trump. This is about you.

                    We both know that no mask is 100% effective. I suspect your glove technique does not equal a trained healthcare provider. There is no way to practice social distancing on an airplane. Most airports have lapses continually in social distancing. And some people are able to spread a virus twenty feet, not six.

                    Your clothes? Those are contaminated, too. Not to mention your eyes...One of the best experts in infectious disease experts in the U.S. was infected with COVID, most likely through eye exposure. So, I hope you wear form fitting goggles.

                    Words are great, but actions speak louder than words, AIR? If so, then you have made a conscious and calculated decision to weigh the risks and get on with your life.

                    Thank you for proving my point.

                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                      #10

                      Act in a way that maximizes the likelihood of your genes to proliferate.

                      It's the only stable strategy in the long term.

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                      • KlausK Klaus

                        Act in a way that maximizes the likelihood of your genes to proliferate.

                        It's the only stable strategy in the long term.

                        Doctor PhibesD Online
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                        Doctor Phibes
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                        #11

                        @Klaus said in Living In Fear:

                        Act in a way that maximizes the likelihood of your genes to proliferate.

                        It's the only stable strategy in the long term.

                        Unfortunately, some bastard has hacked my chastity gadget, so I can't.

                        I was only joking

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                        • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                          @Klaus said in Living In Fear:

                          Act in a way that maximizes the likelihood of your genes to proliferate.

                          It's the only stable strategy in the long term.

                          Unfortunately, some bastard has hacked my chastity gadget, so I can't.

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                          Jolly
                          wrote on last edited by Jolly
                          #12

                          @Doctor-Phibes said in Living In Fear:

                          @Klaus said in Living In Fear:

                          Act in a way that maximizes the likelihood of your genes to proliferate.

                          It's the only stable strategy in the long term.

                          Unfortunately, some bastard has hacked my chastity gadget, so I can't.

                          Be nice to the wife. She might go back and give you the code.

                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                          • JollyJ Jolly

                            @taiwan_girl said in Living In Fear:

                            @Jolly said in Living In Fear:

                            You shouldn't fly.

                            You can be exposed to COVID, flying in a pressurized metal tube with strangers.

                            Why would you risk death?

                            Because I wear a mask 100% of the time, wear gloves while flying. I practice social distancing.

                            Words are great, but actions also speak loud. Do you really think that President Trump, by his actions, has set a good example in doing things regarding proper precautions?

                            Everything ain't about Trump. This is about you.

                            We both know that no mask is 100% effective. I suspect your glove technique does not equal a trained healthcare provider. There is no way to practice social distancing on an airplane. Most airports have lapses continually in social distancing. And some people are able to spread a virus twenty feet, not six.

                            Your clothes? Those are contaminated, too. Not to mention your eyes...One of the best experts in infectious disease experts in the U.S. was infected with COVID, most likely through eye exposure. So, I hope you wear form fitting goggles.

                            Words are great, but actions speak louder than words, AIR? If so, then you have made a conscious and calculated decision to weigh the risks and get on with your life.

                            Thank you for proving my point.

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                            taiwan_girl
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #13

                            @Jolly said in Living In Fear:

                            @taiwan_girl said in Living In Fear:

                            @Jolly said in Living In Fear:

                            You shouldn't fly.

                            You can be exposed to COVID, flying in a pressurized metal tube with strangers.

                            Why would you risk death?

                            Because I wear a mask 100% of the time, wear gloves while flying. I practice social distancing.

                            Words are great, but actions also speak loud. Do you really think that President Trump, by his actions, has set a good example in doing things regarding proper precautions?

                            Everything ain't about Trump. This is about you.

                            We both know that no mask is 100% effective. I suspect your glove technique does not equal a trained healthcare provider. There is no way to practice social distancing on an airplane. Most airports have lapses continually in social distancing. And some people are able to spread a virus twenty feet, not six.

                            Your clothes? Those are contaminated, too. Not to mention your eyes...One of the best experts in infectious disease experts in the U.S. was infected with COVID, most likely through eye exposure. So, I hope you wear form fitting goggles.

                            Words are great, but actions speak louder than words, AIR? If so, then you have made a conscious and calculated decision to weigh the risks and get on with your life.

                            Thank you for proving my point.

                            I think we proved each other point. So, it was a win-win.

                            There is a risk in everything we do, from driving a car, to crossing a busy street, to living while there is the COVID crisis. We do what we can to minimize the risk.

                            Imagine two social influencers; Jennifer A and Jennifer B. Both have millions of followers on social media, and for good or bad, people "listen" to them and are influenced by them.

                            Both take a plane ride

                            Jennifer A gets on the plane,

                            • not wearing a mask, no gloves, no glasses/goggles.
                            • She tries to "high five" other passengers,
                            • encourages them to crowd together to get a selfie with her,
                            • rubs her hands along the top luggage boxes
                            • and for good measure, when she gets to her seat, she drops down the tray and gives it a lick.
                            • meanwhile she is posting all this on her accounts

                            Jennifer B gets on the plane

                            • wearing a mask, gloves and glasses
                            • walks quickly to her seat
                            • makes no contact with other passengers
                            • sits in her seat the whole flight, never taking off her mask, gloves ,etc.
                            • after the flight, she posts to all her accounts, explaining what she did and why it was best to do it this way

                            Both took the same flight. Who minimized the risk better? Who set the better example?

                            All I am saying is that risks can be minimized. Do it smartly and lead by example.

                            As an FYI, Thailand is a country of 66 million people (about 20% of US). There have been a total of 60 deaths from COVID.

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                              Appropriate for the thread, I had a store employee show up on Sunday not feeling great. Sent him home immediately. One of the other employees that worked with him on Saturday immediately started having panic attacks and I home. That evening he sent out an email announcing that he has a 103 degree fever. You would have thought it was the end of the world. The employee having panic attacks nearly had to be hospitalized and has had 2 different tests (despite my reminding that person that they needed to wait 4-5 days before there would be enough time for any infection to grow enough to show up on a test) and nearly everyone has been in a panic.

                              Out of an abundance of caution, I shut down the store for three days and have repeatedly had to intervene with other employees panic attacks. I have even had to remind people about HIPAA requirements and it’s generally been 72 hours of hell.

                              As it turns out, the guy had a 24 hour bug, all tests have come back negative, there has been no symptoms or fever since Sunday.

                              So tell me which impacted my life and livelihood more this week, the virus or fear of the virus?

                              This panic has to stop.

                              The Brad

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                              • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                                @Jolly I’ve done some infra Asia flights.

                                The problem is that going back to Thailand, I have to quarantine for 14 days in a government hotel, no exceptions. Have to really plan things out in advance.

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                                @taiwan_girl said in Living In Fear:

                                @Jolly I’ve done some infra Asia flights.

                                @taiwan_girl, did you fly out of necessity or did you fly for a photo-op?

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                                • AxtremusA Axtremus

                                  @taiwan_girl said in Living In Fear:

                                  @Jolly I’ve done some infra Asia flights.

                                  @taiwan_girl, did you fly out of necessity or did you fly for a photo-op?

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                                  @Axtremus said in Living In Fear:

                                  @taiwan_girl said in Living In Fear:

                                  @Jolly I’ve done some infra Asia flights.

                                  @taiwan_girl, did you fly out of necessity or did you fly for a photo-op?

                                  Both!! 😂 😂 😂 😂

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                                    @taiwan_girl, good, at least your flying was necessary.
                                    Otherwise I would have to criticize you for increasing the risk of spreading COVID-19 for no good reason. 🙂

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                                    • AxtremusA Axtremus

                                      @taiwan_girl, good, at least your flying was necessary.
                                      Otherwise I would have to criticize you for increasing the risk of spreading COVID-19 for no good reason. 🙂

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                                      @Axtremus said in Living In Fear:

                                      @taiwan_girl, good, at least your flying was necessary.
                                      Otherwise I would have to criticize you for increasing the risk of spreading COVID-19 for no good reason. 🙂

                                      Going on vacation can be a good reason. There's no reason to not go on vacation if one can keep the risk at an acceptably low level.

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                                      • KlausK Klaus

                                        @Axtremus said in Living In Fear:

                                        @taiwan_girl, good, at least your flying was necessary.
                                        Otherwise I would have to criticize you for increasing the risk of spreading COVID-19 for no good reason. 🙂

                                        Going on vacation can be a good reason. There's no reason to not go on vacation if one can keep the risk at an acceptably low level.

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                                        @Klaus said in Living In Fear:

                                        Going on vacation can be a good reason. There's no reason to not go on vacation if one can keep the risk at an acceptably low level.

                                        On principle we agree.

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                                        • AxtremusA Axtremus

                                          @taiwan_girl said in Living In Fear:

                                          @Jolly I’ve done some infra Asia flights.

                                          @taiwan_girl, did you fly out of necessity or did you fly for a photo-op?

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                                          #20

                                          @Axtremus said in Living In Fear:

                                          @taiwan_girl said in Living In Fear:

                                          @Jolly I’ve done some infra Asia flights.

                                          @taiwan_girl, did you fly out of necessity or did you fly for a photo-op?

                                          The virus doesn't care.

                                          Thank you for playing. Try again.

                                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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