Rush Speaks
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You got a debate raging. Let them go at it....
Let the candidates engage. Let the audience decide who’s more in command of facts and more in command of the stage. Instead of this silly attempt to enforce a bunch of rules. Let the candidates enforce the rules. Let’s find out who can stand up for themselves and who can’t..
I have no interest in who can yell and talk over the other guy louder.
Maybe Rush thinks that’s a good litmus test for a President - I don’t.
If someone is acting like a clown, do you “win” by engaging on their level?
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@xenon said in Rush Speaks:
If someone is acting like a clown, do you “win” by engaging on their level?
Let’s turn that on its head. If someone accuses you of being a clown, do you win by engaging on that level?
@George-K said in Rush Speaks:
@xenon said in Rush Speaks:
If someone is acting like a clown, do you “win” by engaging on their level?
Let’s turn that on its head. If someone accuses you of being a clown, do you win by engaging on that level?
If someone called me a clown on something like a Presidential stage, I’d probably let it roll off my back (because I assume I wouldn’t actually be acting like a clown - and it’d reflect poorly on the other guy).
Trump was a straight up buffoon last night though. (I still probably wouldn’t call him that on the stage... probably)
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None of that behavior comes from just one or two men.
It is all calculated, planned and rehearsed.
Shut up, clown, liar were on Mr. Biden's play list for weeks, they were intended to goad Mr. Trump into acting like the new yorker that he is.
Interrupting Mr. Biden was meant to fluster a senile old man and to wear him down.
And of course the real intent of all of it was to secure the voters they have and to get more. This first debate was obviously meant for the young and the reckless who have embraced the vulgar culture so popular today.
I suspect that things worked as expected.
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None of that behavior comes from just one or two men.
It is all calculated, planned and rehearsed.
Shut up, clown, liar were on Mr. Biden's play list for weeks, they were intended to goad Mr. Trump into acting like the new yorker that he is.
Interrupting Mr. Biden was meant to fluster a senile old man and to wear him down.
And of course the real intent of all of it was to secure the voters they have and to get more. This first debate was obviously meant for the young and the reckless who have embraced the vulgar culture so popular today.
I suspect that things worked as expected.
@Copper said in Rush Speaks:
None of that behavior comes from just one or two men.
It is all calculated, planned and rehearsed.
Shut up, clown, liar were on Mr. Biden's play list for weeks, they were intended to goad Mr. Trump into acting like the new yorker that he is.
Interrupting Mr. Biden was meant to fluster a senile old man and to wear him down.
And of course the real intent of all of it was to secure the voters they have and to get more. This first debate was obviously meant for the young and the reckless who have embraced the vulgar culture so popular today.
I suspect that things worked as expected.
It wasn’t vulgar, just occasionally impolite.
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The scorn heaped on Trump supporters over the past four years by the pop culture mob is not surpassed by any low class behavior of the orange man. Anybody who has never lifted a finger to stop or question or calm down that scorn, that vitriol, that tacit acceptance of violence existential or merely physical, against their political opposition led by the effigy of Trump, has zero place from which to be whining about the state of the country.
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The scorn heaped on Trump supporters over the past four years by the pop culture mob is not surpassed by any low class behavior of the orange man. Anybody who has never lifted a finger to stop or question or calm down that scorn, that vitriol, that tacit acceptance of violence existential or merely physical, against their political opposition led by the effigy of Trump, has zero place from which to be whining about the state of the country.
@Horace said in Rush Speaks:
The scorn heaped on Trump supporters over the past four years by the pop culture mob is not surpassed by any low class behavior of the orange man. Anybody who has never lifted a finger to stop or question or calm down that scorn, that vitriol, that tacit acceptance of violence existential or merely physical, against their political opposition led by the effigy of Trump, has zero place from which to be whining about the state of the country.
So you’re saying Trump has built up a karmic bank balance of justified bad behavior.
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It struck me that the real winners of the debate were China and Russia.
The USA is in danger of losing any claim it may have had to be the adult in the room or for that matter the leader of the free world.
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@Horace said in Rush Speaks:
To whatever extent such claims ever mattered, as compared to economic/military power.
Many Americans don’t appreciate how large they actually loom in the world order.
It’s easier to see it as an outsider, I suppose.
Americans have the luxury of notreally having to think about other countries.
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@Horace said in Rush Speaks:
To whatever extent such claims ever mattered, as compared to economic/military power.
Many Americans don’t appreciate how large they actually loom in the world order.
It’s easier to see it as an outsider, I suppose.
Americans have the luxury of notreally having to think about other countries.
@xenon said in Rush Speaks:
@Horace said in Rush Speaks:
To whatever extent such claims ever mattered, as compared to economic/military power.
Many Americans don’t appreciate how large they actually loom in the world order.
It’s easier to see it as an outsider, I suppose.
Americans have the luxury of notreally having to think about other countries.
Agree. You can probably ask any educated person from almost any other country “who is the president of the USA”, and most will know the answer.
If you ask someone in the USA to name the leader of a country other than the USA, probably only 60% or less will be able to do so.
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Whether they laugh or sneer or respect the USA has some impact on something I care about I'm sure, but that impact is not made clear by anecdotes of other countries laughing or sneering or respecting the USA.
@Horace said in Rush Speaks:
Whether they laugh or sneer or respect the USA has some impact on something I care about I'm sure, but that impact is not made clear by anecdotes of other countries laughing or sneering or respecting the USA.
There's no clear implication for your life if you start believing your brother is a dick.
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I am not quick to buy the notion that other nations used to venerate the pre-Trump USA.
Education is extremely important.
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@Horace said in Rush Speaks:
I am not quick to buy the notion that other nations used to venerate the pre-Trump USA.
I did - I knew from a pretty young age that I would try to move here at some point.
Can't speak for other, I guess.
(Still do though - Trump can't completely ruin that)
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There's a significantly higher chance that we're going to leave the US than there was four years ago.
I'm sure I'll get laughed at for saying this, but it's the plain truth.
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I'm sure a lot of folk might say that due to the politics of the left. At least the orange man is self limiting due to term limits. The cultural forces pushing from the left are so much more important than orange man. But TDS sufferers will never admit that.
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@Horace said in Rush Speaks:
I am not quick to buy the notion that other nations used to venerate the pre-Trump USA.
I did - I knew from a pretty young age that I would try to move here at some point.
Can't speak for other, I guess.
(Still do though - Trump can't completely ruin that)
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@xenon said in Rush Speaks:
I did - I knew from a pretty young age that I would try to move here at some point.
I'm glad you did!
@jon-nyc said in Rush Speaks:
@xenon said in Rush Speaks:
I did - I knew from a pretty young age that I would try to move here at some point.
I'm glad you did!
Thanks Jon
