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  • JollyJ Offline
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    Jolly
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    #1

    The modern abolitionist...

    https://harpers.org/archive/2020/10/the-sanctuary-sheraton-minneapolis/

    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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    • jon-nycJ Offline
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      jon-nyc
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      #2

      Very interesting piece.

      You were warned.

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      • JollyJ Offline
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        Jolly
        wrote on last edited by
        #3

        I thought it was.

        I don't know if the author arrived at the correct conclusion or not. My take...

        1. Good intentions don't always work. I worked with indigent people for years, and we had a saying...There are two kinds of people that came in our doors, poor people and trash. Poor people you can help. You can't do much with trash.

        Seems like the hotel has its share of both.

        1. The Do-gooders became just as hard-shelled as any cop or social worker. In that environment, that's a normal coping mechanism. It doesn't make them a bad person. It does make them a realist.

        2. Bad people will always take advantage of good people. Sheep are always hunted by wolves. There is a reason sheep need sheepdogs. Sheepdogs should be trained well and not kept on a short leash or they cannot guard the flock.

        3. Drug abuse and mental illness go hand in hand. Much of the street problem in any city, can be helped tremendously by a robust mental health programs, with short term and long term beds.

        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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        • JollyJ Jolly

          I thought it was.

          I don't know if the author arrived at the correct conclusion or not. My take...

          1. Good intentions don't always work. I worked with indigent people for years, and we had a saying...There are two kinds of people that came in our doors, poor people and trash. Poor people you can help. You can't do much with trash.

          Seems like the hotel has its share of both.

          1. The Do-gooders became just as hard-shelled as any cop or social worker. In that environment, that's a normal coping mechanism. It doesn't make them a bad person. It does make them a realist.

          2. Bad people will always take advantage of good people. Sheep are always hunted by wolves. There is a reason sheep need sheepdogs. Sheepdogs should be trained well and not kept on a short leash or they cannot guard the flock.

          3. Drug abuse and mental illness go hand in hand. Much of the street problem in any city, can be helped tremendously by a robust mental health programs, with short term and long term beds.

          taiwan_girlT Offline
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          taiwan_girl
          wrote on last edited by
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          @Jolly thanks for sharing that.

          Things are never as black and white as people (from both sides) believe.

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          • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

            @Jolly thanks for sharing that.

            Things are never as black and white as people (from both sides) believe.

            JollyJ Offline
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            Jolly
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            @taiwan_girl said in The Sheraton:

            @Jolly thanks for sharing that.

            Things are never as black and white as people (from both sides) believe.

            Sometimes, they are.

            Whataboutism has its limits.

            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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            • HoraceH Offline
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              Horace
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              #6

              "Both sides are the same" can easily be framed as a viewpoint just as religious and thoughtless as any deep seeded tribalism is.

              Humans do differ and the great thing about political sides is that they are self-selected. One would be surprised if they did not correlate with genuine human differences between the groups.

              Education is extremely important.

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              • JollyJ Jolly

                I thought it was.

                I don't know if the author arrived at the correct conclusion or not. My take...

                1. Good intentions don't always work. I worked with indigent people for years, and we had a saying...There are two kinds of people that came in our doors, poor people and trash. Poor people you can help. You can't do much with trash.

                Seems like the hotel has its share of both.

                1. The Do-gooders became just as hard-shelled as any cop or social worker. In that environment, that's a normal coping mechanism. It doesn't make them a bad person. It does make them a realist.

                2. Bad people will always take advantage of good people. Sheep are always hunted by wolves. There is a reason sheep need sheepdogs. Sheepdogs should be trained well and not kept on a short leash or they cannot guard the flock.

                3. Drug abuse and mental illness go hand in hand. Much of the street problem in any city, can be helped tremendously by a robust mental health programs, with short term and long term beds.

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                @Jolly said in The Sheraton:

                1. Drug abuse and mental illness go hand in hand. Much of the street problem in any city, can be helped tremendously by a robust mental health programs, with short term and long term beds.

                Good theory, then you kick and scream about "paying taxes" to "fund government healthcare" that's needed to run those "robust mental health programs."

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                • AxtremusA Axtremus

                  @Jolly said in The Sheraton:

                  1. Drug abuse and mental illness go hand in hand. Much of the street problem in any city, can be helped tremendously by a robust mental health programs, with short term and long term beds.

                  Good theory, then you kick and scream about "paying taxes" to "fund government healthcare" that's needed to run those "robust mental health programs."

                  JollyJ Offline
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                  Jolly
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #8

                  @Axtremus said in The Sheraton:

                  @Jolly said in The Sheraton:

                  1. Drug abuse and mental illness go hand in hand. Much of the street problem in any city, can be helped tremendously by a robust mental health programs, with short term and long term beds.

                  Good theory, then you kick and scream about "paying taxes" to "fund government healthcare" that's needed to run those "robust mental health programs."

                  Find any post - you've got twenty years to work with - where I've advocated cutting mental health.

                  I'll wait.

                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                  • JollyJ Jolly

                    @Axtremus said in The Sheraton:

                    @Jolly said in The Sheraton:

                    1. Drug abuse and mental illness go hand in hand. Much of the street problem in any city, can be helped tremendously by a robust mental health programs, with short term and long term beds.

                    Good theory, then you kick and scream about "paying taxes" to "fund government healthcare" that's needed to run those "robust mental health programs."

                    Find any post - you've got twenty years to work with - where I've advocated cutting mental health.

                    I'll wait.

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                    Axtremus
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                    @Jolly said in The Sheraton:

                    @Axtremus said in The Sheraton:

                    @Jolly said in The Sheraton:

                    1. Drug abuse and mental illness go hand in hand. Much of the street problem in any city, can be helped tremendously by a robust mental health programs, with short term and long term beds.

                    Good theory, then you kick and scream about "paying taxes" to "fund government healthcare" that's needed to run those "robust mental health programs."

                    Find any post - you've got twenty years to work with - where I've advocated cutting mental health.

                    I'll wait.

                    You just kick and scream about "paying taxes" and "funding government healthcare" in general that will inevitably cut into mental health.

                    JollyJ 1 Reply Last reply
                    • AxtremusA Axtremus

                      @Jolly said in The Sheraton:

                      @Axtremus said in The Sheraton:

                      @Jolly said in The Sheraton:

                      1. Drug abuse and mental illness go hand in hand. Much of the street problem in any city, can be helped tremendously by a robust mental health programs, with short term and long term beds.

                      Good theory, then you kick and scream about "paying taxes" to "fund government healthcare" that's needed to run those "robust mental health programs."

                      Find any post - you've got twenty years to work with - where I've advocated cutting mental health.

                      I'll wait.

                      You just kick and scream about "paying taxes" and "funding government healthcare" in general that will inevitably cut into mental health.

                      JollyJ Offline
                      JollyJ Offline
                      Jolly
                      wrote on last edited by Jolly
                      #10

                      @Axtremus said in The Sheraton:

                      @Jolly said in The Sheraton:

                      @Axtremus said in The Sheraton:

                      @Jolly said in The Sheraton:

                      1. Drug abuse and mental illness go hand in hand. Much of the street problem in any city, can be helped tremendously by a robust mental health programs, with short term and long term beds.

                      Good theory, then you kick and scream about "paying taxes" to "fund government healthcare" that's needed to run those "robust mental health programs."

                      Find any post - you've got twenty years to work with - where I've advocated cutting mental health.

                      I'll wait.

                      You just kick and scream about "paying taxes" and "funding government healthcare" in general that will inevitably cut into mental health.

                      I gave you an assignment. Don't fuck it up.

                      I'm waiting...

                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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