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Elizabeth Holmes’s defense

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  • L Offline
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    Loki
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    #1

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-theranos-holmes/ex-theranos-ceo-holmes-puts-mental-state-at-issue-to-be-examined-by-u-s-experts-idUSKBN2612Q3

    She can’t feel guilt. Hilarious.

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    • MikM Away
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      Mik
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      #2

      So her defense is she's a sociopath?

      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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      • jon-nycJ Online
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        jon-nyc
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        #3

        Well it's probably more honest than most defenses.

        Only non-witches get due process.

        • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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        • LuFins DadL Offline
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          LuFins Dad
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          #4

          Eh, I would still have tapped that back in my single days....

          The Brad

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          • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

            Eh, I would still have tapped that back in my single days....

            jon-nycJ Online
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            jon-nyc
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            #5

            @LuFins-Dad said in Elizabeth Holmes’s defense:

            Eh, I would still have tapped that back in my single days....

            Translation: "I'd tap that, but my wife sometimes lurks here so I need to phrase it differently...." 😉

            Only non-witches get due process.

            • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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            • George KG Offline
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              George K
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              #6

              Never, ever, stick your dick into crazy.

              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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              • jon-nycJ Online
                jon-nycJ Online
                jon-nyc
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                #7

                But if you do, leave behind George's business card.

                Only non-witches get due process.

                • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                • taiwan_girlT Offline
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                  taiwan_girl
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                  #8

                  They need to look at anything that will help their client. I guess that is their job, but to me, it does seem to indicate that the charges for her are probably true.

                  I think we discussed before (on the old forum board), but there was an interesting podcast about this whole company.

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                  • HoraceH Offline
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                    Horace
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                    #9

                    It’s an interesting strategy of maximizing their chance of mounting a truthful and factual defense while wishfully thinking that defense will matter to the question of guilt or innocence.

                    Education is extremely important.

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                    • RainmanR Offline
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                      Rainman
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                      #10

                      "...lawyers said they intended to introduce expert evidence from a clinical psychologist “relating to a mental disease or defect or any other mental condition of the defendant bearing on the issue of guilt.”

                      What is a mental disease?
                      What is a mental defect?
                      What is "other mental condition" which bears on "issue of guilt," and are these conditions opposite if one ponders "issues of innocence?"

                      Mental health is such a crazy field. Get it, Ax? As Larry would say, bwahahahaaaahahaaaaaa!!
                      Darn close to being marginally near somewhat sane, approximately, by almost any reliable untested unestablished standard.

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                      • taiwan_girlT Offline
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                        taiwan_girl
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                        #11

                        Couple of new attachements to this original story.

                        "A federal judge rejected a bid for a new trial for disgraced Theranos CEO Elizabeth Holmes after concluding a key prosecution witness's recent remorseful attempt to contact her wasn't enough to award her another chance to avoid a potential prison sentence for defrauding investors at her blood-testing company."

                        https://6abc.com/elizabeth-holmes-trial-theranos-sentencing/12430627/

                        ANd
                        "Lawyers for the disgraced Theranos founder Elizabeth Holmes submitted their sentencing request on Friday, urging Judge Edward Davila to grant her home confinement and community service after Holmes was convicted of fraud in January. “She suffered substantial trauma throughout the time period of the offense,” her lawyers John Cline and Kevin Downey wrote. “When criticisms arose, she committed fully to identifying, acknowledging, and fixing errors. She never cashed out, and she went down with the ship when the company failed. And regardless of the sentence the Court imposes, for the rest of her life, she and her family will be punished.” If the court had to impose a prison sentence, the lawyers asked for no longer than 18 months. The pregnant Holmes had tried repeatedly to avoid her Nov. 18 sentencing, including a bid for a new trial, which was denied on Tuesday."

                        https://www.thedailybeast.com/theranos-fraudster-elizabeth-holmes-pleads-for-house-arrest-in-sentencing-memo

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                        • JollyJ Offline
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                          Jolly
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                          Guilty. No stay out of prison.

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                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                          • HoraceH Offline
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                            Horace
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                            11 years. More than most were expecting.

                            Education is extremely important.

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                            • MikM Away
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                              Mik
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                              #14

                              Her Mommy and Me pictures didn’t fly.

                              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                taiwan_girl
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                                https://abcnews.go.com/US/theranos-founder-elizabeth-holmes-appeal-heard-san-francisco/story?id=110980110

                                Disgraced Theranos founder Elizabeth Holmes' appeal will be heard at a federal courthouse in San Francisco on Tuesday.

                                The hearing arrives one year after Holmes began a more than 11-year sentence at a Texas prison for defrauding investors with false claims about her company's blood-testing technology.

                                In a 47-page court filing in November, Holmes' attorneys said the prosecution failed to prove a cornerstone of its case: that Holmes hoodwinked investors while knowing full well the deficiencies of her product.

                                In my very uninformed opinion, I do not think she can win the appeal

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                                • MikM Away
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                                  Mik
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                                  #16

                                  I doubt it.

                                  “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                    taiwan_girl
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                                    https://people.com/elizabeth-holmes-breaks-her-silence-in-first-interview-from-prison-it-s-been-hell-and-torture-exclusive-8789737

                                    What is the saying - If you can't do the time, dont do the crime.

                                    While Holmes shivers from the frigid air conditioning and picks the nuts out of a bag of trail mix, she says she has settled into the dormitory-style prison’s routine. Each morning she wakes just after 5 a.m., eats fruit for breakfast, then does a 40-minute daily workout—lifting weights, rowing and running on a track.

                                    By 8 a.m. she’s at the education building, earning 31 cents an hour as a reentry clerk, helping women slated for release to write résumés and prepare to apply for tax credits and other government benefits.

                                    “So many of these women don’t have anyone, and once they’re in there, they’re forgotten,” she says. Between roll calls five times a day, Holmes also works as a law clerk, helping women to secure compassionate release and their court cases, as well as teaching French classes.

                                    and

                                    For lunch and dinner, Holmes sticks to a largely vegan diet, although she has added salmon and tuna after becoming anemic in her first year in prison. In her spare time she immerses herself in books—the ancient Chinese divination manual I Ching, the Harry Potter series, Rick Rubin’s The Creative Act: A Way of Being and Zen teacher Cheri Huber’s The Fear Book: Facing Fear Once and for All are titles she has recently read. She is allocated 300 minutes on the phone every month, often waiting an hour in line for the twice-daily calls she usually makes to her family.

                                    Scheduled for release on April 3, 2032, Holmes says she hopes to travel with her family and to fight for reform of criminal justice system. She recently drafted an American Freedom Act bill — a seven-page handwritten document— to bolster the presumption of innocence and change criminal procedure. “This will be my life’s work,” says Holmes, adding that she is speaking out now as part of her mission to advocate on behalf of incarcerated persons and those ripped away from their children.

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                                    • MikM Away
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                                      Mik
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                                      This does not pluck my emotional strings at all.

                                      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                        jodi
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                                        Me either.

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