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    George K
    wrote on 10 Sept 2020, 17:10 last edited by George K 9 Oct 2020, 17:11
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    Found this poll interesting.

    ⅔ of respondents don't check a paper's references to see if they reflect what's in the paper.

    And a response:

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      Horace
      wrote on 10 Sept 2020, 17:13 last edited by
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      The paper trail is important for purposes other than the review process. Seems reasonable to take as an article of faith that they say what they purport to say.

      It’s mostly nonsense anyway. Most papers are not reproducible.

      Education is extremely important.

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      • H Horace
        10 Sept 2020, 17:13

        The paper trail is important for purposes other than the review process. Seems reasonable to take as an article of faith that they say what they purport to say.

        It’s mostly nonsense anyway. Most papers are not reproducible.

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        George K
        wrote on 10 Sept 2020, 17:22 last edited by
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        @Horace said in Peer-reviewed:

        It’s mostly nonsense anyway. Most papers are not reproducible.

        That's true, sadly.

        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          Copper
          wrote on 10 Sept 2020, 18:42 last edited by
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          I chose a JAMA paper at random.

          The references look suspicious to me.

          https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2533698

          This guy has 68 references. Nobody is going to check all that.

          They are probably mostly fake.

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            bachophile
            wrote on 10 Sept 2020, 18:52 last edited by
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            Well I’m a peer reviewer for a couple of journals. And I do check references. Not all of course but certainly ones that are critical.

            I once specifically rejected a manuscript when I found a reference that said the opposite of what was referenced.

            I also check to see if claims like “to the best of our knowledge, this is the first time blah blah blah” to see if that’s really true.

            And I certainly check to see if there are publications which make the same point but with better data.

            Peer reviewing is important, I learn a helluva lot when I review and it helps me anticipate question from reviewers on my papers. And I get really pissed off when I sense a reviewer rejected without really making an honest effort at understanding the paper.

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              Loki
              wrote on 10 Sept 2020, 18:58 last edited by
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              There is always a risk that if you fake it or misquote it, someone will find it later and it will come back to haunt you.

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                Klaus
                wrote on 10 Sept 2020, 20:06 last edited by
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                I don't know about medicine, but when I'm assigned to review a paper in my area of expertise, I usually don't need to look up reference s because I have already read those papers and remember the main results.

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                • K Klaus
                  10 Sept 2020, 20:06

                  I don't know about medicine, but when I'm assigned to review a paper in my area of expertise, I usually don't need to look up reference s because I have already read those papers and remember the main results.

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                  George K
                  wrote on 10 Sept 2020, 21:10 last edited by
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                  @Klaus said in Peer-reviewed:

                  I don't know about medicine, but when I'm assigned to review a paper in my area of expertise, I usually don't need to look up reference s because I have already read those papers and remember the main results.

                  Yeah, but your field is so narrow....🤠

                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                    Axtremus
                    wrote on 11 Sept 2020, 11:32 last edited by
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                    When I peered-review a paper that references one of my papers, I do not have to the check that reference.

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                      jon-nyc
                      wrote on 11 Sept 2020, 11:58 last edited by
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                      I have no peers.

                      Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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                        Axtremus
                        wrote on 11 Sept 2020, 12:10 last edited by
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                        Sorry nobody wants you.

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                          LuFins Dad
                          wrote on 11 Sept 2020, 13:30 last edited by
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                          I have an 11 month old peer. Time to change his diaper. I don’t understand why you guys want him to read scientific and medical papers, though.

                          The Brad

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