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  • George KG Offline
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    George K
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    #4

    Jesus...

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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    • George KG George K

      Jesus...

      LuFins DadL Offline
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      LuFins Dad
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      #5

      @George-K said in Not Diverse:

      Jesus...

      He’s not allowed, either...

      Unless you mean Jesus (hay-zus).

      The Brad

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      • CopperC Offline
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        This country, maybe the whole world, is doomed

        “I have received complaints about the murals that portray a very homogeneous population predominately the persons painted and depicted on the wall are predominantly white and that does not represent who our institution is today,” Collins said. “Some of our students have even shared with us they didn’t feel comfortable sitting in that space.”

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        • CopperC Copper

          This country, maybe the whole world, is doomed

          “I have received complaints about the murals that portray a very homogeneous population predominately the persons painted and depicted on the wall are predominantly white and that does not represent who our institution is today,” Collins said. “Some of our students have even shared with us they didn’t feel comfortable sitting in that space.”

          George KG Offline
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          George K
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          #7

          @Copper said in Not Diverse:

          “Some of our students have even shared with us they didn’t feel comfortable sitting in that space.”

          Tell them to sit somewhere else where they can feel comfortable.

          Like their parents' basements.

          Or, perhaps a crib...with a pacifier.

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          • markM mark

            lmao. They should have been painted over long ago. They look like a 4 year old painted them.

            JollyJ Offline
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            Jolly
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            #8

            @mark said in Not Diverse:

            lmao. They should have been painted over long ago. They look like a 4 year old painted them.

            Shows what you know.

            How about this?

            alt text

            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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            • CopperC Offline
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              Copper
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              Well, jump down turn around

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              • LuFins DadL Offline
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                LuFins Dad
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                #10

                90% of the US population in 1950 was white.

                I can’t find the racial demographics for Rhode Island in 1950, but I will bet it was even higher.

                Those murals are pretty representative ...

                The Brad

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                • CopperC Offline
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                  Copper
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                  #11

                  History is written by the victors.

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                  • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                    90% of the US population in 1950 was white.

                    I can’t find the racial demographics for Rhode Island in 1950, but I will bet it was even higher.

                    Those murals are pretty representative ...

                    taiwan_girlT Offline
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                    @LuFins-Dad said in Not Diverse:

                    90% of the US population in 1950 was white.

                    I can’t find the racial demographics for Rhode Island in 1950, but I will bet it was even higher.

                    Those murals are pretty representative ...

                    I do think it is somewhat goofy to paint over the murals, but at what point does something like that become history, and when is it just something on the wall?

                    As you said, the murals were representative of Rhode Island 70 years ago. Why is it a bad thing for someone today to be change that to what is like today?

                    Why do companies update their logos? Why do people not wear fashion from seventy years ago? Why do menus change in restaurants, and product lines change in stores?

                    The world is ever changing, and every generation wants to use and put their mark on what things are

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                    • HoraceH Offline
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                      Horace
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                      Organic change is fine. But if it’s a cheap rhetorical power grab it’s not necessarily fine.

                      Education is extremely important.

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                      • Doctor PhibesD Online
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                        I don't see a problem with painting over the murals. Thankfully, we don't live in the 1950's anymore, despite some people apparently wanting to.

                        Yeah, yeah, I know, I'm Mr. fucking PC. Stop your fucking whining already.

                        I was only joking

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                        • HoraceH Offline
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                          Horace
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                          It is PC wankery to attempt to preempt accusations of PC wankery with self accusations of PC wankery.

                          Education is extremely important.

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                            Doctor Phibes
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                            Thing is, I'm not Mr. PC, you wanker.

                            I think it's OK to paint over the murals because in the 50's pretty much everybody was racist, and also because they're shit.

                            I was only joking

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                            • HoraceH Offline
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                              Horace
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                              Pretty much everybody is thinking about skin color and judging people based on it now more than in the 50s. Unless you would care to disagree.

                              Education is extremely important.

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                              • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                                @LuFins-Dad said in Not Diverse:

                                90% of the US population in 1950 was white.

                                I can’t find the racial demographics for Rhode Island in 1950, but I will bet it was even higher.

                                Those murals are pretty representative ...

                                I do think it is somewhat goofy to paint over the murals, but at what point does something like that become history, and when is it just something on the wall?

                                As you said, the murals were representative of Rhode Island 70 years ago. Why is it a bad thing for someone today to be change that to what is like today?

                                Why do companies update their logos? Why do people not wear fashion from seventy years ago? Why do menus change in restaurants, and product lines change in stores?

                                The world is ever changing, and every generation wants to use and put their mark on what things are

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                                LuFins Dad
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                                @taiwan_girl said in Not Diverse:

                                @LuFins-Dad said in Not Diverse:

                                90% of the US population in 1950 was white.

                                I can’t find the racial demographics for Rhode Island in 1950, but I will bet it was even higher.

                                Those murals are pretty representative ...

                                I do think it is somewhat goofy to paint over the murals, but at what point does something like that become history, and when is it just something on the wall?

                                As you said, the murals were representative of Rhode Island 70 years ago. Why is it a bad thing for someone today to be change that to what is like today?

                                Why do companies update their logos? Why do people not wear fashion from seventy years ago? Why do menus change in restaurants, and product lines change in stores?

                                The world is ever changing, and every generation wants to use and put their mark on what things are

                                I get that and would agree for any other building not named "Memorial Union" that wasn't built and privately paid for to specifically honor WWII and the students and alumni of the University of Rhode Island that served in WWII. Don't want a WWII Memorial Union? Build a new one. Want to set up a display to honor African American and other minority contributions to the war effort? Go for it! But let's not ignore or change history.

                                The Brad

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                                • HoraceH Horace

                                  Pretty much everybody is thinking about skin color and judging people based on it now more than in the 50s. Unless you would care to disagree.

                                  Doctor PhibesD Online
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                                  Doctor Phibes
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                                  #19

                                  @Horace said in Not Diverse:

                                  Pretty much everybody is thinking about skin color and judging people based on it now more than in the 50s. Unless you would care to disagree.

                                  From my admittedly limited knowledge of the period , lots of people were looking the other way back then, but if you read biographies of black jazz musicians of the time (1930's - 1950's), which I have, they were treated like shit. Miles Davis was beaten up by a detective for "loitering" outside the club he was headlining in, Bud Powell suffered life-changing injuries due to a similar assault. Musicians touring the south could not stay in the same hotels as their white counterparts, and Billy Holiday narrowly avoided being lynched by a group of southern gentlemen, her sin being to sing for the white Artie Shaw orchestra. These people should have been honoured, not brutalised.

                                  Whites certainly weren't thinking about it as much as blacks, since it didn't really affect them.

                                  I was only joking

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                                    Now we’re supposed to karmically atone for those things by feeling the feels we should have felt back then for those incidents every time a black person resists a police officer and scares them into deploying violence.

                                    Education is extremely important.

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                                    • Doctor PhibesD Online
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                                      Doctor Phibes
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                                      No, but pretending that everything was fine and dandy back then, and that racial issues are some modern invention is to ignore a truly shameful period in this nation's history.

                                      The fact that large segments of the middle classes could safely ignore this injustice doesn't mean it wasn't a freaking big deal to the people being affected.

                                      I was only joking

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                                        I’m sure it was. And now in the lifetimes of presently young and productive people it has been fetishized. Which to my mind does not honor a serious memory or reflection of it.

                                        Education is extremely important.

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                                        • HoraceH Horace

                                          I’m sure it was. And now in the lifetimes of presently young and productive people it has been fetishized. Which to my mind does not honor a serious memory or reflection of it.

                                          Doctor PhibesD Online
                                          Doctor PhibesD Online
                                          Doctor Phibes
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                                          @Horace said in Not Diverse:

                                          I’m sure it was. And now in the lifetimes of presently young and productive people it has been fetishized. Which to my mind does not honor a serious memory or reflection of it.

                                          It's quite possible that the fetishization is in part a reaction to the willful ignorance that occurred previously. Hollywood, for example, has until very recently had a truly dreadful history in its treatment and characterization of minorities, but now suddenly it's preaching from a holy soapbox of it's own invention, whilst arguably not addressing the actual problem in a serious way.

                                          I was only joking

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