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The Iran War (was Nuclear Program) thread

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  • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

    Exceptionally good analysis by Andrew Fox, former British Army paratrooper and lecturer in war studies at Sandhurst. A tough, tough read in places.

    I was unaware of Erdogan's role. We had commented here on 'what happened to arming the Kurds?' but never had a good answer.

    There's a lot here, highly recommended.

    https://mrandrewfox.substack.com/p/anatomy-of-a-debacle?utm_source=app-post-stats-page&r=z0uop&utm_medium=ios&triedRedirect=true

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    Renauda
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    #1396

    @jon-nyc

    Excellent analysis. Sobering too. Like yourself I was not aware of how Erdogan played into it all. Makes sense though from the Turkish perspective.

    Elbows up!

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      Yeah, it's a great piece. I'm going to start paying attention to that guy.

      There will be no deal with Iran except UNCONDITIONAL SURRENDER. -DJT, 3/6/26

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        Imagine the reaction if, in 2015, John Kerry had said “the IRGC has seen the error of its ways”.

        There will be no deal with Iran except UNCONDITIONAL SURRENDER. -DJT, 3/6/26

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          #1399

          There’s always a Trump tweet.

          There will be no deal with Iran except UNCONDITIONAL SURRENDER. -DJT, 3/6/26

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            The real problem with modern day wars is they are like boxing matches where only jabs are allowed. And that even includes Gaza, despite the destruction and loss of life.
            Pussyfooting about instead of demanding and ensuring unconditional surrender by every means.

            We've had nearly 50 years of this internationally murderous Iranian regime and can only look forward to it continuing.
            Any funds released to it will certainly end up in the hands of Hamas, Hezbollah and the Houthis.

            I'm going to buy an electric car.
            Over the last few decades the whole professional British military has been reduced to the point where can now fit inside a football stadium!

            Meanwhile on a positive note, Ukraine are doing well against Russia, and Putin will be dead within a decade.
            And China will soon be coming to terms with its young population crisis. So hopefully both countries will be less helpful towards Iran and N.Korea

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              #1401

              On the bright side.

              There will be no deal with Iran except UNCONDITIONAL SURRENDER. -DJT, 3/6/26

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                #1402

                I assume by ‘final deal’ they mean the one supposedly coming in 60 days.

                There will be no deal with Iran except UNCONDITIONAL SURRENDER. -DJT, 3/6/26

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                  wrote last edited by
                  #1403

                  Agree this is a good deal or else.

                  There will be no deal with Iran except UNCONDITIONAL SURRENDER. -DJT, 3/6/26

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                  • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                    Agree this is a good deal or else.

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                    #1404

                    @jon-nyc said:

                    Agree this is a good deal or else.

                    Arguably the best bit about Trump inevitably becoming a lame duck will be his own side finally being able to tell him to shove it up his arse. Assuming they can pluck up the courage, of course.

                    I was only joking

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                    • AxtremusA Away
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                      #1405

                      Trump's hold over the GOP comes not from the Presidency but from captivating a large swath of the GOP base voters. The "presidential lame duck" concept will not apply to Trump, at least not for Republicans.

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                      • AxtremusA Axtremus

                        Trump's hold over the GOP comes not from the Presidency but from captivating a large swath of the GOP base voters. The "presidential lame duck" concept will not apply to Trump, at least not for Republicans.

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                        #1406

                        @Axtremus said:

                        The "presidential lame duck" concept will not apply to Trump, at least not for Republicans

                        Which is a little ironic when you consider his resemblance to that most famous of ducks, Teh Donald Duck.

                        I was only joking

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                          And now for the caveats:

                          Iran's top diplomat said Tuesday that the tentative deal to end the war with the United States would require Israel to withdraw from Lebanon — a condition Israel has already rejected and that could sink the agreement, leading to the resumption of all-out war.

                          https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/iran-war-united-states-israel-lebanon-deal-9.7237094

                          Elbows up!

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                            Yeah. The question is does Trump cave or Iran?

                            Bibi’s current government wouldn’t survive him agreeing. And I don’t think he would anyway under any circumstances.

                            There will be no deal with Iran except UNCONDITIONAL SURRENDER. -DJT, 3/6/26

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                              It may be the case that the most likely outcome is just a stalemate under the MOU terms - the concrete ones not the aspirational ones. After all, Gaza is stuck on step 1.5 out of 20 and I don't think anyone believes it moves on from there.

                              There will be no deal with Iran except UNCONDITIONAL SURRENDER. -DJT, 3/6/26

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                                Alrighty.

                                There will be no deal with Iran except UNCONDITIONAL SURRENDER. -DJT, 3/6/26

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                                  Imagine if this bozo had been in charge during WW2.

                                  I was only joking

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