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  • jon-nycJ Offline
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    jon-nyc
    wrote on last edited by
    #132

    Not at all. And for a time it was insolvent. But even if that had never happened, advertising segregated customer funds and then using them for investing is fraud. Even if it were to end up being ‘victimless’.

    (Ask the non-resident if you want confirmation)

    Person. Woman. Man. Camera. TV.

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    • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

      Not at all. And for a time it was insolvent. But even if that had never happened, advertising segregated customer funds and then using them for investing is fraud. Even if it were to end up being ‘victimless’.

      (Ask the non-resident if you want confirmation)

      LuFins DadL Offline
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      LuFins Dad
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      #133

      @jon-nyc said in SBF/FTX:

      Not at all. And for a time it was insolvent. But even if that had never happened, advertising segregated customer funds and then using them for investing is fraud. Even if it were to end up being ‘victimless’.

      (Ask the non-resident if you want confirmation)

      But… Does it impact the penalties? He got 25 years, prosecutors wanted 50, and Friedman’s attorneys wanted 6… If the sentencing occurred 5 months ago, would Friedman have gotten closer to the 50 years? If the crypto rally had started a month earlier and Solana went up another 100% and now the investors are showing profit, would the sentence be closer to 10?

      The Brad

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      • jon-nycJ Offline
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        wrote on last edited by
        #134

        Good question. I think he was hurt in sentencing by cheating on his terms of release.

        But I haven’t followed that closely.

        Person. Woman. Man. Camera. TV.

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        • jon-nycJ Offline
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          #135

          Ken White’s podcast on the sentencing is called ‘Sam Bankmam Unfreed’

          Person. Woman. Man. Camera. TV.

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          • taiwan_girlT Offline
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            #136

            https://apnews.com/article/caroline-ellison-ftx-sentencing-64825081eae35afb0d14a278130c9526

            Caroline Ellison, a former top executive in FTX founder Sam Bankman-Fried ’s collapsed cryptocurrency empire and his former girlfriend, is seeking no prison time at her sentencing later this month.

            Lawyers for Ellison made the request shortly before midnight Tuesday in a filing in Manhattan federal court in advance of a sentencing scheduled for Sept. 24.

            The lawyers cited her immediate and extensive cooperation with U.S. authorities when FTX and related companies collapsed in November 2022, and they noted that the court’s Probation Department recommended that she serve no prison time.

            Ellison, 29, pleaded guilty nearly two years ago in the prosecution and testified against Bankman-Fried for nearly three days at his trial last November. After his conviction, Bankman-Fried was sentenced to 25 years in prison. Without her cooperation, Ellison could have faced decades in prison.

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            • HoraceH Offline
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              #137

              Brilliant. If I ever get convicted of a felony, I'm totally seeking no prison time. That's the kind of outside-the-box thinking they don't teach in law school.

              Education is extremely important.

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                #138

                https://www.theverge.com/2024/9/24/24249490/caroline-ellison-sentence-ftx-alameda-fraud

                Caroline Ellison, the former CEO of Alameda Research, was sentenced to 24 months in prison for her role in the FTX collapse. She must also forfeit $11 billion.

                and

                In sharp contrast to Bankman-Fried, Ellison appears to truly regret her role in the fraud. We know this not just because of her cooperation agreement — but because she confessed and apologized to her staff in a meeting she didn’t know was taped. That taped confession, in addition to sealing Bankman-Fried’s fate, also demonstrated her contrition.

                There were some other mitigating factors, besides Ellison’s honesty. She was the only coconspirator who did not have equity in Alameda or FTX, and “the government found no evidence that Ellison enjoyed the wealth generated by the fraud,” prosecutors wrote.

                Ellison has already experienced significant fallout. Her diaries have been splashed across the pages of The New York Times, her psychiatrist gave an interview about her to Michael Lewis for his book Going Infinite, and she was derided in shockingly misogynistic language by large chunks of the crypto community she’d once been a part of. She’s been unable to find paying work and is afraid to go out in public

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                • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                  https://www.theverge.com/2024/9/24/24249490/caroline-ellison-sentence-ftx-alameda-fraud

                  Caroline Ellison, the former CEO of Alameda Research, was sentenced to 24 months in prison for her role in the FTX collapse. She must also forfeit $11 billion.

                  and

                  In sharp contrast to Bankman-Fried, Ellison appears to truly regret her role in the fraud. We know this not just because of her cooperation agreement — but because she confessed and apologized to her staff in a meeting she didn’t know was taped. That taped confession, in addition to sealing Bankman-Fried’s fate, also demonstrated her contrition.

                  There were some other mitigating factors, besides Ellison’s honesty. She was the only coconspirator who did not have equity in Alameda or FTX, and “the government found no evidence that Ellison enjoyed the wealth generated by the fraud,” prosecutors wrote.

                  Ellison has already experienced significant fallout. Her diaries have been splashed across the pages of The New York Times, her psychiatrist gave an interview about her to Michael Lewis for his book Going Infinite, and she was derided in shockingly misogynistic language by large chunks of the crypto community she’d once been a part of. She’s been unable to find paying work and is afraid to go out in public

                  George KG Offline
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                  @taiwan_girl said in SBF/FTX:

                  She must also forfeit $11 billion.

                  How much does she have left after that, I wonder. Anything?

                  “the government found no evidence that Ellison enjoyed the wealth generated by the fraud,” prosecutors wrote.

                  Oh, how did she get that $11 billion?

                  Also, P-Diddy and Bankman-Fried are sharing a "common location" in the dormitory-style prison.

                  So, there's that. I guess.

                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                  • jon-nycJ Offline
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                    #140

                    I heard David Sacks on a podcast call him ‘Scam Bankman Fraud’. lol

                    I’m guessing that’s personal. Given his role in the administration that doesn’t bode well for his ability to purchase a pardon.

                    Person. Woman. Man. Camera. TV.

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                      In an order denying Sam Bankman-Fried’s request for a new trial, a judge accused the disgraced FTX founder of wasting precious court resources on wild conspiracies. To the judge, the motion seemed like a last-ditch attempt to give himself a MAGA makeover that the Trump administration absolutely wasn’t buying.

                      Bankman-Fried was sentenced to 25 years in prison in 2024 for “masterminding one of the largest financial frauds in American history,” US District Judge Lewis Kaplan wrote in his order. He was convicted on all charges, including wire fraud, conspiracy to commit securities fraud, commodities fraud, and money laundering.

                      There is already an appeal pending in another court, the judge noted. But Bankman-Fried filed a separate motion for a new trial, claiming that there were “newly discovered” witnesses and evidence that might have helped his defense, if Joe Biden’s Department of Justice hadn’t intimidated them into refusing to testify or, in one case, lying on the stand. He also asked for a new judge, wanting Kaplan to recuse himself.

                      However, Kaplan pointed out that “none of the witnesses” were “newly discovered.” And more concerningly, Bankman-Fried offered no evidence that the witnesses could prove the “wildly conspiratorial” theory the FTX founder raised, claiming that their absence at the trial was a “product of government threats and retaliation,” the judge wrote.

                      Bankman-Fried’s theory is “entirely contradicted by the record,” Kaplan said. He emphasized that granting Bankman-Fried’s request “would be a large waste of judicial resources as it could require another judge to familiarize himself or herself with an extensive and complicated record.”

                      https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2026/04/new-sam-bankman-fried-trial-would-be-huge-waste-of-courts-time-judge-says/

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