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  • jon-nycJ Offline
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    jon-nyc
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    All of right wing media is posting it with the middle sentence taken out (note the …). Also there’s an entire paragraph before the comment about how he can’t read a speech (NOT ‘I can’t read’). Also overselling the extent to which it’s a ‘black audience’. If you listen to the tape it doesn’t sound as bad as they make it out to be

    The whole reason we call them illegal aliens is because they’re subject to our laws.

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      #4

      Reddit needs to up its game. True magats take the dots out altogether.

      The whole reason we call them illegal aliens is because they’re subject to our laws.

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        Horace
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        If you don’t think the audience and his perception of them played a part in what he said - and he did say he was just like them because he is dumb - then you’re trying pretty hard to avoid the obvious.

        I guess it’s possible he was talking to a bunch of Trump supporters, about whom he has similar preconceptions, but I don’t think that was the audience.

        Education is extremely important.

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          And for what it’s worth, that is not a right leaning Reddit forum.

          Education is extremely important.

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          • jon-nycJ Offline
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            No doubt they clipped the misquote from right wing accounts somewhere.

            The whole reason we call them illegal aliens is because they’re subject to our laws.

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            • HoraceH Horace

              But these sorts of slips are predictable once you understand that the modal progressive has a more racist perspective than the modal conservative. Expressed differently. Through magnanimity towards their inferiors.

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              @Horace

              But these sorts of slips are predictable once you understand that the modal progressive has a more racist perspective than the modal conservative..

              That may be true for stereotypical modal types and select tribes and clans. However it is highly doubtful that it applies to the common buck toothed or red neck MAGAt who can hardly count themselves as being even remotely conservative let alone a progressive modal conservative.

              Elbows up!

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              • HoraceH Offline
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                Tribal drift is beside the point. It's enough that people understand the tribes I'm referring to.

                Education is extremely important.

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                • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                  No doubt they clipped the misquote from right wing accounts somewhere.

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                  @jon-nyc said in “You people” on steroids:

                  No doubt they clipped the misquote from right wing accounts somewhere.

                  It's only a misquote if you torture your framing. And that tortured framing is brought to you by your own tribal sources.

                  Education is extremely important.

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                    ...and just like that, right-wingers worried about their leaders saying stupid shit again.

                    I was only joking

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                      If you frame the word ‘quote’ to mean ‘repeat what he actually said’ then it’s a misquote.

                      They chose to elide the sentence before the SAT score. They chose to omit the paragraph before and misquote his sentence about reading speeches. It’s not hard to determine why.

                      The whole reason we call them illegal aliens is because they’re subject to our laws.

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                      • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                        If you frame the word ‘quote’ to mean ‘repeat what he actually said’ then it’s a misquote.

                        They chose to elide the sentence before the SAT score. They chose to omit the paragraph before and misquote his sentence about reading speeches. It’s not hard to determine why.

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                        @jon-nyc "I'm a dumb person just like you" is an accurate paraphrase of what he said. None of your context changes that. It is interesting how desperate your tribe is to excuse this, though. It won't work.

                        Education is extremely important.

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                          You still haven’t listened to the full quote I see.

                          “I’m no better than you. I’m a 960 SAT guy.”

                          The whole reason we call them illegal aliens is because they’re subject to our laws.

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                            It's just locker room talk.
                            He was only joking.
                            It's fake news.
                            It's good that he speaks his mind.
                            Don't worry what politicians say, it's what they do that's important.

                            I was only joking

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                              The thing with Trump though is you don’t have to be disingenuous and fabricate bad quotes.

                              The whole reason we call them illegal aliens is because they’re subject to our laws.

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                              • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                The thing with Trump though is you don’t have to be disingenuous and fabricate bad quotes.

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                                @jon-nyc said in “You people” on steroids:

                                The thing with Trump though is you don’t have to be disingenuous and fabricate bad quotes.

                                Plus, he lies pretty egregiously about his academic record, so it's hard to know quite how dumb he is.

                                You know the professors used to ask him to solve their problems?

                                I was only joking

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                                  If you find the full video he was talking about growing up with dyslexia, responding to a question by the interviewer.

                                  The whole reason we call them illegal aliens is because they’re subject to our laws.

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                                  • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                    All of right wing media is posting it with the middle sentence taken out (note the …). Also there’s an entire paragraph before the comment about how he can’t read a speech (NOT ‘I can’t read’). Also overselling the extent to which it’s a ‘black audience’. If you listen to the tape it doesn’t sound as bad as they make it out to be

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                                    @jon-nyc said in “You people” on steroids:

                                    All of right wing media is posting it with the middle sentence taken out (note the …). Also there’s an entire paragraph before the comment about how he can’t read a speech (NOT ‘I can’t read’). Also overselling the extent to which it’s a ‘black audience’. If you listen to the tape it doesn’t sound as bad as they make it out to be

                                    That is true, and much too commonly found in political anklebiting. But he's still a pretty clumsy panderer.

                                    "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                                    • HoraceH Horace

                                      Tribal drift is beside the point. It's enough that people understand the tribes I'm referring to.

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                                      @Horace said in “You people” on steroids:

                                      Tribal drift is beside the point. It's enough that people understand the tribes I'm referring to.

                                      Tribal drift? You mean like the Bedouin? They’re known drifters and not only clannish but very tribal as well. Not beside the point at all.

                                      Plains Indians were like that as well.

                                      Elbows up!

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                                      • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                        You still haven’t listened to the full quote I see.

                                        “I’m no better than you. I’m a 960 SAT guy.”

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                                        @jon-nyc said in “You people” on steroids:

                                        You still haven’t listened to the full quote I see.

                                        “I’m no better than you. I’m a 960 SAT guy.”

                                        I don't suppose there's any chance you could explain why you think that means "I'm dumb just like you" isn't an accurate paraphrase.

                                        Education is extremely important.

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                                        • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                          If you find the full video he was talking about growing up with dyslexia, responding to a question by the interviewer.

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                                          @jon-nyc said in “You people” on steroids:

                                          If you find the full video he was talking about growing up with dyslexia, responding to a question by the interviewer.

                                          If you listen to the whole interview he explains the various ways in which is mind doesn't work well, which makes him "just like you", directed to the room.

                                          If you're honest, you'll also admit that he wouldn't have given that answer to a room of college graduates, or white collar professionals.

                                          If you're honest, you'll admit that his perceptions of the audience informed his responses.

                                          But I won't hold my breath for an honest engagement here.

                                          Education is extremely important.

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