The Epstein File

[AndyD]

The intimidation tactics against the abused women are not going to work.
Eventually the full involvment of these powerful men, like Andrew Windsor and Donald Trump will be known.

[Horace]

I doubt anybody is intimidating the women to not name names. The two most plausible theories are that they have no new names to name, or they have been incentivized positively to stay quiet.

[Renauda]

@Mik said in The Epstein File:

There's the rub. Epstein canoodled with just about everyone in those social circles. He had access. None of these things stand as evidence of wrongdoing. If you have evidence against individuals, bring it on. Otherwise, we risk smearing people who did nothing wrong. this thing has always been a tempest in a teapot. Rich people misbehaving. Who knew they do that?

True but as the cliched platitude goes;

Birds of a feather, flock together.

[jon-nyc]

@Horace said in The Epstein File:

I doubt anybody is intimidating the women to not name names. The two most plausible theories are that they have no new names to name, or they have been incentivized positively to stay quiet.

More plausible in all but a handful of cases is they don’t know who the men were. How many young girls would recognize a random sultan or Howard Lutnick in 2013? Probably get introduced by their first names only and possibly fake ones. Also no doubt they ‘massaged’ a lot of men.

[Horace]

@jon-nyc said in The Epstein File:

@Horace said in The Epstein File:

I doubt anybody is intimidating the women to not name names. The two most plausible theories are that they have no new names to name, or they have been incentivized positively to stay quiet.

More plausible in all but a handful of cases is they don’t know who the men were. How many young girls would recognize a random sultan or Howard Lutnick in 2013? Probably get introduced by their first names only and possibly fake ones. Also no doubt they ‘massaged’ a lot of men.

That would fit under the umbrella of no new names to name. They could certainly be clear about that - that they were trafficked to so many guys but have no idea who they were. Maybe they have been clear about that. I haven't listened to their interviews as they're doing the circuit. All I've heard is that they're not naming names, and then the fancy theories that they're being hushed by shadowy figures. Which seems unlikely.

[AndyD]

And the fact the victims are named in the documents whilst the likely law breakers are not means what to American justice? Not the way British law is conducted.
It's pressure to back off.

Anyone that visited E more than once is likely to have known about the girls, according to what the girls themselves say, as young as 14 from what I've heard.
Epstein was not two faced, he was pretty open... from what I've heard, saying that the ex prince liked girls younger than himself.

[jon-nyc]

In general the victims names are redacted though I understand there are a couple of major fuckups in that regard. And it only takes one.

They were far more meticulous in keeping out certain powerful names, apparently.

[jon-nyc]

‘Inside the house’ - Lol

[Renauda]

I think Lutnick should resign simply because he tells bald face lies about close allies of the USA.

His connections to this Epstein affair are a secondary footnote to his demonstrated incompetence as Commerce Sec’ty.

[Tom-K]

Who is paying Howard Lutnick and how much? (Must be lots.) Why would a middle manager care?

[jon-nyc]

Middle manager? He ran Cantor Fitzgerald (when I was in the business the largest treasury dealer) for years.

[Tom-K]

Yea but that was then. Secretary of Commerce is what? So who does he work for? Cantor Fitzgerald--fine, the US government well then fine too. But you can't work for both at the same time.