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Interesting re MAGA for the post Trump era

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  • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

    Vivek chimes in.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2025/12/17/opinion/republican-identity-divide.html?unlocked_article_code=1.9U8.AV4v.kVMldQaLG0T2&smid=url-share

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      said in Interesting re MAGA for the post Trump era:

      @jon-nyc said in Interesting re MAGA for the post Trump era:

      Vivek chimes in.

      https://www.nytimes.com/2025/12/17/opinion/republican-identity-divide.html?unlocked_article_code=1.9U8.AV4v.kVMldQaLG0T2&smid=url-share

      Good for him. More people need to say this stuff very clearly, and stop this growing trend toward the Fuentes-brigade.

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        Megyn replied too. Putting it back here to keep the topic consolidated.

        The whole reason we call them illegal aliens is because they’re subject to our laws.

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          When your conspiracy theory is too much for Alex Jones.

          The whole reason we call them illegal aliens is because they’re subject to our laws.

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            Best comment on the above:

            ‘When your dealer says you have a drug problem’

            The whole reason we call them illegal aliens is because they’re subject to our laws.

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              The ‘op’.

              The whole reason we call them illegal aliens is because they’re subject to our laws.

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                Wishing it will all go away before the primary in 2027. I’m not so confident it will.

                The whole reason we call them illegal aliens is because they’re subject to our laws.

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                  Megyn with more opinions.

                  The whole reason we call them illegal aliens is because they’re subject to our laws.

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                    Megyn with more opinions.

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                    @jon-nyc I guess you sniffed something about a defense of Tucker in there and immediately found it laughable and ridiculous. But the points surrounding that whiff of Tucker defense were reasonable IMO.

                    Education is extremely important.

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                      Im just enjoying the scrum.

                      The whole reason we call them illegal aliens is because they’re subject to our laws.

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                        That's certainly fair enough.

                        Education is extremely important.

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                          I appreciated today's VDH show. He spends the first 15 minutes going over Israel's value to the US, beyond "just another foreign country". The idea that it's "just another foreign country" underpins all of Tucker's or Dave Smith's rhetoric against US support of it. If I had ever bought into that notion, I would have agreed with them, but I never did. VDH provides some details of why it's not reasonable to think of Israel as just another foreign country.

                          Link to video

                          Education is extremely important.

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                            Mass exodus from Heritage to a more standard conservative organization formed recently by Mike Pence.

                            Link to video

                            Education is extremely important.

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                              As hard as it is, listen to him to the end where he says this is a message for Vance in 28.

                              The whole reason we call them illegal aliens is because they’re subject to our laws.

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                                I get the odd feeling that he's missed the whole spirit of Christmas thing, despite his jolly decorations.

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                                  It's not as if he'll be voting for the other side anyway. He's not really a political pundit, just a cultural commentator. Those of us who aren't white nationalists can feel united in that he hates us all.

                                  Education is extremely important.

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                                    It's not as if he'll be voting for the other side anyway. He's not really a political pundit, just a cultural commentator. Those of us who aren't white nationalists can feel united in that he hates us all.

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                                    @Horace

                                    He's not really a political pundit, just a cultural commentator.

                                    So was Julius Streicher

                                    Elbows up!

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                                      It's worth making some attempt to understand why his message resonates with certain people, young white males as I gather. I mean, some attempt that gets past "because they're all racist". We have a recent thread about a piece about what it is to be a white male trying to work in the entertainment industry that might touch on some of it.

                                      Education is extremely important.

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                                        I wouldn’t waste much effort attempting to understand populist appeal that I find is morally repugnant.

                                        Elbows up!

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                                          I agree a white racial backlash was inevitable to one degree or another once the dominant cultural institutions normalized the expression of racial animus against whites sometime during Obama’s second term. But it’s still worth doing what we can to minimize their impact on the culture.

                                          The whole reason we call them illegal aliens is because they’re subject to our laws.

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