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  • jon-nycJ Online
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    jon-nyc
    wrote last edited by
    #1413

    He has a point.

    If you don't take it, it can only good happen.

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    • HoraceH Offline
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      #1414

      I'm not entirely sure there is an apples to apples comparison between any realistic deal realistically proposed during the Biden administration, which was reacted to in that manner by conservative Jews, and this deal. I wonder what Ben Shapiro or Bari Weiss would say about that claim.

      Education is extremely important.

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        #1415

        Putting aside any details of actual proposals, I think he’s right that leaving Hamas in power would have been seen as a betrayal under Biden but that doesn’t stop them from thinking Trump a genius for this deal.

        Perhaps some believe the rest of the deal will be implemented. Perhaps others believe it won’t and Israel will have the green light to return but without the hostages to worry about. But that latter group might be underestimating how much Trump wants a Nobel.

        If you don't take it, it can only good happen.

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        • jon-nycJ Online
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          wrote last edited by
          #1416

          If you don't take it, it can only good happen.

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          • Doctor PhibesD Offline
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            #1417

            I hate to it's deja vu all over again, but I really kind of feel like I've been here before.

            Obviously, it's the greatest event in history and all that, but still.....

            I was only joking

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            • jon-nycJ Online
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              wrote last edited by
              #1418

              Releasing all the hostages is not nothing.

              If you don't take it, it can only good happen.

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              • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                Releasing all the hostages is not nothing.

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                wrote last edited by Doctor Phibes
                #1419

                @jon-nyc said in Hamas attacks Israel:

                Releasing all the hostages is not nothing.

                Clearly, it's very important on a human scale for those affected. But the idea that we've achieved peace in the ME after thousands of years of conflict is ridiculous.

                I was only joking

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                • MikM Offline
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                  #1420

                  It's another step in that direction.

                  "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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                  • MikM Mik

                    It's another step in that direction.

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                    #1421

                    @Mik said in Hamas attacks Israel:

                    It's another step in that direction.

                    I honestly don't want to be cynical about this, but my point was we've heard this all before.

                    Has anything actually fundamentally changed in the last two weeks?

                    I'd love to be wrong.

                    I was only joking

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                      #1422

                      I don't think anyone expected Hamas to behave in any other way. But I think there has been a change in that the other Arab states have had enough of them. They are decimated and this is kind of their last gasp. The calculus has changed on what to expect if they attack again. It's not exactly Larry's push them into the sea but it's not far from it.

                      "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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