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Why has no DoJ employee leaked any of the Epstein files?

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  • jon-nycJ Offline
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    (The above was my entire prompt. It followed a question about the IRS leak of trumps tax return and what happened to that guy (convicted to 5 years in federal prison by Garland’s DoJ).

    There are a few practical and legal reasons why you haven’t seen a DOJ insider leak the full “Epstein files” in the way you saw an IRS insider leak Trump’s taxes:

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    1. Legal Risk Is Enormous and Well-Understood Inside DOJ
      • DOJ employees (FBI agents, prosecutors, analysts) handle grand jury material, sealed court records, and classified intelligence in the Epstein matter.
      • Leaking any of that is a felony under multiple statutes — not just “unauthorized disclosure” but also Rule 6(e) of the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure (grand jury secrecy), the Espionage Act (if foreign intel is involved), and obstruction statutes.
      • DOJ insiders are typically career law enforcement or attorneys who know those statutes intimately — and know that unlike in the IRS case, leaking grand jury or classified info can easily bring decades in prison, not 5 years.

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    1. The Files Are Highly Compartmentalized
      • Epstein-related records are not all in one “Epstein file”; they’re dispersed across FBI case files, U.S. Attorney’s Office archives, sealed court dockets, and possibly intelligence community holdings.
      • Access is on a need-to-know basis, often with audit logs, so any unauthorized viewing can be traced to a specific login/time stamp. That makes leakers far easier to catch.

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    1. Some Material May Still Be Active Casework
      • Even after Epstein’s death, there are ongoing investigations into associates, financial crimes, or related matters.
      • Leaking could compromise ongoing prosecutions, which for a career DOJ employee would mean both prison and the end of their livelihood.

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    1. Political & Institutional Culture
      • DOJ’s professional culture—especially among career staff—is steeped in keeping case files sealed until cleared by court order.
      • Even people with strong personal feelings about Epstein’s crimes or possible cover-ups may hesitate to destroy their own careers and face prison without a guarantee of public benefit.

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    1. Precedent: Leaks Usually Come from Outsiders
      • In big document dumps (Pentagon Papers, Snowden NSA files, Manning’s State/DoD leaks), the leakers were either contractors, military members, or outsiders—not DOJ career prosecutors.
      • The IRS-Trump leak you mentioned also came from a contractor, not a career IRS employee.

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    In short: The combination of harsh penalties, tight access controls, ongoing investigations, and a risk-averse institutional culture explains why there hasn’t been a DOJ insider leak of Epstein records—at least not in the wild, high-volume sense you might expect.

    If you want, I can outline what’s publicly known about where the Epstein-related records actually live and which ones could theoretically be forced into the open by court order rather than a leak. That’s where most of the realistic action is.

    Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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      GPT subtly misinterpreted your question. “Leak the whole Epstein files” is drastic and unsurprisingly traceable. Leaked word of mouth about a juicy smoking gun having to do with Trump? A much more plausible thing at the Biden DOJ.

      Depending on the veracity one gives Elon, we can already say there has been a leak of parts of the Epstein files. Just not one with any there there.

      Education is extremely important.

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        GPT subtly misinterpreted your question. “Leak the whole Epstein files” is drastic and unsurprisingly traceable. Leaked word of mouth about a juicy smoking gun having to do with Trump? A much more plausible thing at the Biden DOJ.

        Depending on the veracity one gives Elon, we can already say there has been a leak of parts of the Epstein files. Just not one with any there there.

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        @Horace said in Why has no DoJ employee leaked any of the Epstein files?:

        Depending on the veracity one gives Elon, we can already say there has been a leak of parts of the Epstein files. Just not one with any there there.

        Since Elon has never been a DoJ employee, whether Elon leaked anything has no bearing on the question on why has no DoJ employee leaked any of the Epstein files.

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          @Horace

          Not really. The main reason chat outlines (enormous legal risk, well understood at Justice) hold for individual documents etc, not just the ‘whole file’.

          Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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            @Horace said in Why has no DoJ employee leaked any of the Epstein files?:

            Depending on the veracity one gives Elon, we can already say there has been a leak of parts of the Epstein files. Just not one with any there there.

            Since Elon has never been a DoJ employee, whether Elon leaked anything has no bearing on the question on why has no DoJ employee leaked any of the Epstein files.

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            @Axtremus said in Why has no DoJ employee leaked any of the Epstein files?:

            @Horace said in Why has no DoJ employee leaked any of the Epstein files?:

            Depending on the veracity one gives Elon, we can already say there has been a leak of parts of the Epstein files. Just not one with any there there.

            Since Elon has never been a DoJ employee, whether Elon leaked anything has no bearing on the question on why has no DoJ employee leaked any of the Epstein files.

            It Elon has seen the Epstein files, or been told of them regarding specifics about Trump, we have a leak. Thus my conditionalizing on Elon’s veracity.

            Education is extremely important.

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