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ChatGPT validates your worldview

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  • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

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    LuFins DadL Offline
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    @jon-nyc said in ChatGPT validates your worldview:

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    Grok disagrees.
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    The Brad

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      The question of whether humans have free will is one of the oldest and most complex in philosophy, psychology, neuroscience, and even physics. Here's a breakdown of the main perspectives:

      1. Libertarian Free Will (Philosophical Position)
        Claim: Yes, humans have genuine free will.
        Viewpoint: We can make choices that are not entirely determined by prior causes.
        Support:

      Intuition and personal experience of choice.
      Moral responsibility implies the ability to choose freely.
      Some interpretations of quantum mechanics suggest fundamental randomness, possibly allowing for non-deterministic events in the brain.
      2. Determinism (Often Scientific/Philosophical)
      Claim: No, all choices are determined by prior states.
      Viewpoint: Every action or thought results from preceding causes — biology, environment, prior experiences, etc.
      Support:

      Neuroscientific studies (e.g., Libet experiments) show that brain activity predicting decisions occurs before we’re consciously aware of choosing.
      Physics (especially classical mechanics) operates under deterministic laws.

      1. Compatibilism (Middle Ground)
        Claim: Free will and determinism can coexist.
        Viewpoint: Even if our actions are determined, we can still be said to act freely if we act according to our desires, without external coercion.
        Support:

      Allows for moral responsibility without requiring metaphysical "freedom."
      Widely accepted by many modern philosophers (e.g., Daniel Dennett).

      1. Hard Incompatibilism
        Claim: Free will is an illusion — whether determinism is true or not.
        Viewpoint: If our actions are either determined or random, neither gives us true control.
        Support:

      Maintains that the feeling of control is constructed by the brain.
      Some argue moral responsibility needs reevaluation in light of this.
      So, what's the answer?
      It depends on how you define "free will":

      If you mean completely uncaused, autonomous choices, then free will is highly questionable.
      If you mean the ability to act according to your own motivations and reasoning, many would say yes — especially compatibilists.

      The Brad

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        #15

        Obviously, "Horace" has been a ChatGPT plant program all along. I must say, he fooled me, but I started getting suspicious when he got in the 98% (or something like that) in the math exam. Good he's coming clean. Though no doubt he would have been exposed sooner or later. Also that 6' 8" physique made of solid muscle didn't help his case either. And why "Horace" of all names--well Horace was the Roman who said: "carpe diem." It's all making sense.

        "Buy the ChatGPT program, only $19.95 a month."

        Don't let the "Horace" program fool you--stay HUMAN TNCR! 😉

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          Not time to really comment but this is a great thread.

          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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            There does seem to be some controversy on reliability.

            Is ChatGPT and Grok credible?
            Both ChatGPT and Grok are powerful AI language models, but their credibility varies and comes with significant limitations. It's crucial to understand these when using them as sources of information.

            Here's a breakdown:

            ChatGPT

            Accuracy: While ChatGPT (especially newer versions like GPT-4o) can achieve high accuracy rates on benchmarks (around 88.7% on MMLU), its accuracy is nuanced and context-dependent. It performs best on general knowledge questions where there's abundant training data. However, for specialized or niche domains (e.g., specific medical conditions, obscure historical events) or complex questions, accuracy can drop significantly.

            Reliability: ChatGPT's reliability depends on several factors:
            Knowledge Cutoff: The free version (GPT-3.5) has a knowledge cutoff, meaning it doesn't have access to information beyond a certain date (around September 2021). Paid versions like GPT-4 may have more recent data, but still have cutoffs. This means it can provide outdated information on rapidly evolving topics.
            Hallucinations: A significant limitation is "hallucinations," where the model generates factually incorrect or nonsensical information with a confident tone. Studies show that even GPT-4 can hallucinate, though less frequently than GPT-3.5.

            Lack of Source Citation: ChatGPT often struggles to cite its sources or explain its reasoning, making it difficult to verify the information it provides.
            Bias: Like all AI models, ChatGPT can reflect biases present in its training data, which can lead to skewed or inaccurate responses.
            Credibility for Academic Use: Generally, ChatGPT is not considered a credible source of factual information for academic writing. While it can be useful for brainstorming or generating ideas, any factual claims should be independently verified through reliable, citable sources.
            Grok

            Accuracy and Reliability: Grok, developed by xAI, aims to provide more unrestricted and nuanced responses, with a "rebellious streak" and access to real-time information from the X (formerly Twitter) platform. However, this real-time access also presents challenges:
            Inconsistent Accuracy: Reports suggest Grok can be insightful but is also prone to occasional factual errors and inconsistencies in response quality.
            Citation Issues: A study by the Tow Center for Digital Journalism found Grok 3 to be highly inaccurate in citing news, fabricating links, citing syndicated/plagiarized work, or misattributing articles a staggering 94% of the time. This makes it highly unreliable for factual verification.
            Misinformation Potential: Its reliance on real-time data from a platform like X, which can contain unverified or biased information, increases the risk of it spreading misinformation.
            Hallucinations: Like ChatGPT, Grok can "hallucinate" and provide confident-sounding but incorrect information.
            Bias: Its training data and integration with X could potentially amplify existing biases.
            Credibility for General Use: While Grok's real-time knowledge and unique personality can be engaging, its reported high rate of incorrect citations and potential for misinformation mean it should be approached with extreme caution for any factual information.
            In summary:

            Neither ChatGPT nor Grok should be considered fully credible or definitive sources of factual information on their own. They are powerful tools for generating text, summarizing information, and assisting with various tasks, but they are prone to errors, biases, and "hallucinations."

            Key takeaways for using AI tools like ChatGPT and Grok:

            Always verify information: Cross-reference any critical information from these AI models with established, reputable sources.
            Understand their limitations: Be aware of their knowledge cutoffs, potential for bias, and tendency to "hallucinate."
            Use them as assistants, not oracles: View them as tools to aid your research and writing, not as substitutes for critical thinking and fact-checking.
            Be specific in your prompts: Providing more context and clear instructions can improve the accuracy of their responses.
            Request sources: If available, ask the AI to provide sources for its claims, though be aware that these may also be inaccurate or fabricated, especially with Grok.

            “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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              And so it started … AI is taking over, one TNCR poster at a time.

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                Nah. This is AI wars. Let's see if we can get them to REALLY diss each other. AI trash talk.

                “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                  Here’s an artistic description for an AI-generated image of “ChatGPT as a human”:

                  • Gender-neutral or androgynous appearance (since ChatGPT isn’t male or female)
                  • Age appears to be early 30s: wise but approachable, friendly and calm
                  • Clothing: Modern, minimalist, maybe a smart-casual vibe with a futuristic touch—think a soft sweater or shirt, and sleek, clean lines, perhaps with a subtle circuit-like pattern
                  • Hair: Short and neat, maybe silver or dark, hinting at something “digital” or “algorithmic”
                  • Eyes: Very alert, bright, with a sense of curiosity and empathy—possibly with a subtle, digital shimmer in the irises
                  • Background: Surrounded by softly glowing data streams, floating icons, books, or abstract symbols of knowledge and conversation

                  If you want any particular features added or changed, let me know. Otherwise, I’ll generate the image based on this description.

                  Here is an AI-generated image of "ChatGPT as a human."

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                  Education is extremely important.

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                  • HoraceH Offline
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                    That's my best friend, so please, no making fun of its appearance.

                    Education is extremely important.

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                      Clearly the beta version.

                      Only non-witches get due process.

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