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EPA ending EnergyStar program

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  • MikM Away
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    wrote last edited by Mik
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    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-plans-to-axe-decades-old-energy-star-efficiency-program/ar-AA1Eh320

    Not quite sure what to think about this. Is it redundant? Have you bought an appliance in the last 20 years that didn't have this sticker? I question its relevance. Sadly the article contains not info on how much the program costs.

    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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    • MikM Away
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      Evidently the budget is around 38 million. Proponents say it saves consumers 40 billion. I'm not so sure that is true.

      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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      • jon-nycJ Online
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        The federal budget to maintain the guidelines is probably pretty small. It may well save 40B in electricity costs. How much does it add to design and manufacturing costs? Unclear. And probably not included in the 40B estimate.

        Only non-witches get due process.

        • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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        • MikM Away
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          Where I come down on this is while getting the sticker is voluntary, aren't there regulations that govern energy usage? Would any consumer (who looks) buy an energy hog? I suppose it had a purpose at the time but that may be obsolete today. I'd need to know more to really call it.

          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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          • LuFins DadL Offline
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            I’m not entirely sure that it’s even necessary when considering Canada, the EU, et al have their own energy saving regulations that match up, Whirlpool is not going to suddenly start building with entirely different components that are more of energy hogs just for the US…

            Another argument that could be made is that it might allow a little grace to for a new manufacturer in the US to start building with less regulations. It would also allow them to build a “less smart” appliance with fewer chips and such…

            It effectively removes the energy star tax credit, though.

            The Brad

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            • MikM Away
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              And I wonder how much revenue that is costing. I cannot find that anywhere, even on Google Gemini. I'm quite sure it's not included in the $38M figure.

              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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              • jon-nycJ Online
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                I agree they won’t make wholesale changes in their line, especially because they probably put good odds on the program being restored in 4 years. But It actually wouldn’t surprise me if they started selling a few stripped down models for cheap that don’t conform aimed at dollar general type shoppers that would see the price tag and not necessarily think too much about energy costs.

                Only non-witches get due process.

                • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                • RenaudaR Offline
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                  New appliances here also carry the Energy Star rating. Has been that since at least the 1980s; maybe earlier. I never realized it was a USEPA programme.

                  Elbows up!

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                  • jon-nycJ Online
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                    I would expect most manufacturers to continue putting the sticker on compliant models as it has a positive association with most consumers, even in the US.

                    Only non-witches get due process.

                    • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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