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  • RenaudaR Renauda

    Enough of a small role to create a physical advantage necessitating separate events for males and females billiards?

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    @Renauda said in Women’s pool championship:

    Enough of a small role to create a physical advantage necessitating separate events for males and females billiards?

    If it happens that women almost never beat men in the top leagues, then it plays enough of a role.

    Education is extremely important.

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    • RenaudaR Renauda

      Enough of a small role to create a physical advantage necessitating separate events for males and females billiards?

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      @Renauda said in Women’s pool championship:

      Enough of a small role to create a physical advantage necessitating separate events for males and females billiards?

      Since it’s a women’s event, I suppose so. But then I grew up in a pool hall that did not allow women in, so I never got to see.

      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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        I would have thought the main reason men do a lot better is that there are a lot more men playing than women.

        I suspect that's also true in chess. When I used to play at the local club and in the little tournaments it was almost exclusively men playing. There'd be less than 5 females for 200 men. As you can imagine, it got pretty smelly.

        I was only joking

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          World's highest rated female chess player wouldn't crack the top 100 male players (though it's close). That seems unlikely if it's just due to more guys than girls playing.

          Still way more equal than physical sports, where the world's best female at tennis, wouldn't beat a good male high school player.

          https://en.chessbase.com/post/fide-ratings-january-2025#:~:text=1%2F2%2F2025 – Just in time for the start,(2803)%2C Hikaru Nakamura (2802) and Arjun Erigaisi (2801).

          Education is extremely important.

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          • HoraceH Horace

            World's highest rated female chess player wouldn't crack the top 100 male players (though it's close). That seems unlikely if it's just due to more guys than girls playing.

            Still way more equal than physical sports, where the world's best female at tennis, wouldn't beat a good male high school player.

            https://en.chessbase.com/post/fide-ratings-january-2025#:~:text=1%2F2%2F2025 – Just in time for the start,(2803)%2C Hikaru Nakamura (2802) and Arjun Erigaisi (2801).

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            @Horace said in Women’s pool championship:

            World's highest rated female chess player wouldn't crack the top 100 male players (though it's close). That seems unlikely if it's just due to more guys than girls playing.

            I wasn't exaggerating with the numbers, so if there's only between 2-5 women playing for about 200 men, it would explain it. If you compare female professionals, there are 2.3 female grandmasters for every 100 male.

            There could well be something else at play here, but it is possible for women to play at the top level. Judit Polgar was ranked 7th in the world, and became the youngest ever grandmaster, beating Bobby Fischer's record at the time. Admittedly, she's an outlier, but it shows that it is possible whereas that isn't the case in physical sports.

            I was only joking

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              Wow, first time the women’s billiards championship had 19 balls on the table!

              The Brad

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                Snort

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                  It might very well be that men are, on average, a little better at pool because it involves skills that men are, on average, a little better at, such as geometrical/spatial thinking and computations. And then at the top end these differences become large.

                  But even without any physical/mental advantage I'm fine with having separate events for women. It can be considered an invitation for women to participate in a male-dominated sport.

                  The trans thing is silly of course.

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                    It might very well be that men are, on average, a little better at pool because it involves skills that men are, on average, a little better at, such as geometrical/spatial thinking and computations. And then at the top end these differences become large.

                    But even without any physical/mental advantage I'm fine with having separate events for women. It can be considered an invitation for women to participate in a male-dominated sport.

                    The trans thing is silly of course.

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                    @Klaus said in Women’s pool championship:

                    It might very well be that men are, on average, a little better at pool because it involves skills that men are, on average, a little better at, such as geometrical/spatial thinking and computations. And then at the top end these differences become large.

                    I’d suggest the fact that two guys pretending to be women are at the top of the sport serves as fairly strong observational evidence of that.

                    The Brad

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                      Yes what’s often called ‘visual/spatial intelligence is, on average, higher in men than women.

                      Only non-witches get due process.

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