Magat Grandbabies with Measles.

[jon-nyc]

One died.

[LuFins Dad]

You realize that the time frame for the parents skipping their vaccinations had to be 4-5 years ago, right?

[Horace]

Dead kids are a small price to pay for the elation of rhetorical dunks on Trump.

[jon-nyc]

You can try to pin it on me but I’m one of the few here who voted against this.

[Jolly]

[Horace]

@jon-nyc said in Magat Grandbabies with Measles.:

You can try to pin it on me but I’m one of the few here who voted against this.

You voted against children dying? That sounds stunning and brave.

[jon-nyc]

Yes there were two choices in the last election. One would lead to more preventable childhood disease including the worst outcomes, the other to fewer. Nobody here didn’t know that when they voted.

[LuFins Dad]

@jon-nyc said in Magat Grandbabies with Measles.:

You can try to pin it on me but I’m one of the few here who voted against this.

Really? Since the parents would have skipped their vaccinations during both the Biden and previous Trump administrations and their respective public health departments, I would have to say that you actually did vote for this at sometime.

[Horace]

@jon-nyc said in Magat Grandbabies with Measles.:

Yes there were two choices in the last election. One would lead to more preventable childhood disease including the worst outcomes, the other to fewer. Nobody here didn’t know that when they voted.

You can continue to live in your rhetorical word where you project your silliness onto everybody else, but it's not actual fact that the net health effects of this administration will result in "more death" than the other administration.

[jon-nyc]

The additional deaths have yet to occur, sure. No reasonable person can doubt they will.

[Horace]

@jon-nyc It's not even fact that in your selective focus on measles, that a reasonable person could doubt there will be a rise. That's again just your rhetorical reality being projected onto the world. You do this constantly.

The other thing you do constantly is to focus that rhetoric on one thing, while keeping everything else out of focus. I used the word "net deaths" in my response, to pry you away from the focus on measles (against not even established as an issue that will get worse under RFK), and on the bigger picture, which is what a vote should be based on.

I understand the rhetoric is your reality, I just wish you'd stop saying out loud that it's definitely everybody else's reality too.

[jon-nyc]

It’s the reality that shall unfold with RFK running the show.

Don’t worry, you don’t need to believe me now. I’ll be sure to ‘I told you so’ along the way.

[Horace]

@jon-nyc I'm comfortable that the benefit any inroads made against eating habits and T2 diabetes will overwhelm any measles deaths allegedly traceable to this administration. I do trust that you will focus on whatever you need to focus on, to rhetorically frame this administration as a disaster in any conceivable way, and I trust that you will take that more seriously than anybody else here.

I mean, I just watched you yesterday imply that you'd be supportive of it, if Trump was playing nuclear war brinkmanship. It's funny what you expect people to take seriously about your rhetorical realities.

[jon-nyc]

Dude that was your strawman. You let it fall right after you built it. You don’t get to pretend to knock it down again today.

As for T2D and the SAD what do you really think he could possibly do?

[Horace]

@jon-nyc It's not a strawman, it's what you said. That you think it would be a good idea for Trump to play nuclear war brinksmanship with Russia. The implication being that you'd be supportive of that, which is an obvious departure from any shared reality of who you are, and how you think.

I am hoping for good messaging from RFK, and yes, I think popular culture messaging can make a difference. A small difference in that huge problem will obviously overwhelm any rhetorically claimed ties between measles and RFK.

[jon-nyc]

Again ‘nuclear brinksmanship’ was your strawman. I was talking about merely putting Putin personally on the rhetorical defensive as a precursor to a real negotiation rather than submission.

Re public messaging, it boggles the mind to think we’ve been missing that.

Do you really think all these millions of morbidly obese Americans never recognized their own agency in their long march to metabolic dysfunction?

[Horace]

@jon-nyc said in Magat Grandbabies with Measles.:

Again ‘nuclear brinksmanship’ was your strawman. I was talking about merely putting Putin personally on the rhetorical defensive as a precursor to a real negotiation rather than submission.

Re public messaging, it boggles the mind to think we’ve been missing that.

Do you really think all these millions of morbidly obese Americans never recognized their own agency in their long march to metabolic dysfunction?

You can live in a world where Trump could have toed a perfect line exactly close enough and far enough away from nuclear war brinksmanship, where you'd have been supportive of it. The rest of us can wonder whether any such line could conceivably exist. (We're actually not wondering.)

And you can live in a world where pop culture messaging makes no difference because academic fact A or B is already out there. Again, awesome rhetoric, great world, glad not to share it.

[jon-nyc]

That’s what we need, a pop culture that finally recognizes young athletically built people as beautiful.

Can’t believe no one ever thought of that.

[Jolly]

@Horace said in Magat Grandbabies with Measles.:

I am hoping for good messaging from RFK, and yes, I think popular culture messaging can make a difference.

I think there is consensus that much of RFK's time will be spent on food safety, food additives and a concerted effort to trim obesity rates.

I'm somewhat hopeful. I think there is a growing recognition among parents that healthy food is better than junk food, that cooked food is better than microwaved food and that playtime or sports is better for children than electronic stimulation.

[jon-nyc]