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  • CopperC Offline
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    Copper
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    A compelling story

    But I think we can all agree that we won’t repeat it out loud

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    • MikM Offline
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      A truth that can never be spoken.

      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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      • JollyJ Offline
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        I think the author is Czech. He doesn't know any better...

        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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        • taiwan_girlT Offline
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          Like a lot of articles that are written from the "fringe side", there are some points that "may" be okay, but other things that are so false, it ruins the whole story.

          Below is an example of a ridiculous statement:

          "..........those dead black males made no practical contribution to the general welfare and betterment of the human race and left behind virtually nothing of significance in any area of human endeavor. "

          That kind of ruins anything else in the story.

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          • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

            Like a lot of articles that are written from the "fringe side", there are some points that "may" be okay, but other things that are so false, it ruins the whole story.

            Below is an example of a ridiculous statement:

            "..........those dead black males made no practical contribution to the general welfare and betterment of the human race and left behind virtually nothing of significance in any area of human endeavor. "

            That kind of ruins anything else in the story.

            Aqua LetiferA Offline
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            Aqua Letifer
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            #6

            @taiwan_girl said in Dead Black Males:

            Like a lot of articles that are written from the "fringe side", there are some points that "may" be okay, but other things that are so false, it ruins the whole story.

            Below is an example of a ridiculous statement:

            "..........those dead black males made no practical contribution to the general welfare and betterment of the human race and left behind virtually nothing of significance in any area of human endeavor. "

            That kind of ruins anything else in the story.

            ☝️

            The other stuff about western civilization not being evil was okay.

            Please love yourself.

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            • MikM Offline
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              #7

              Can you name any of those contributions? I'm having a hard time thinking of much of anything outside of music. The other thing to consider is that a lot of the attitudes toward women, minorities and gays are still present in current American black culture. It has been somewhat moderated but it is still there.

              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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              • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                Like a lot of articles that are written from the "fringe side", there are some points that "may" be okay, but other things that are so false, it ruins the whole story.

                Below is an example of a ridiculous statement:

                "..........those dead black males made no practical contribution to the general welfare and betterment of the human race and left behind virtually nothing of significance in any area of human endeavor. "

                That kind of ruins anything else in the story.

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                wrote on last edited by Larry
                #8

                @taiwan_girl said in Dead Black Males:

                Like a lot of articles that are written from the "fringe side", there are some points that "may" be okay, but other things that are so false, it ruins the whole story.

                Below is an example of a ridiculous statement:

                "..........those dead black males made no practical contribution to the general welfare and betterment of the human race and left behind virtually nothing of significance in any area of human endeavor. "

                That kind of ruins anything else in the story.

                I don't think you've grasped the point he is making. He is applying the same standard to "dead black men" that is being applied by many today to "Dead white men". It is supposed to sound offensive. Just as offensive as applying a one size fits all standard to "dead white men". The point he made by saying that, had you understood it, is by no means false.

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                • JollyJ Offline
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                  Yep.

                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                  • MikM Mik

                    Can you name any of those contributions? I'm having a hard time thinking of much of anything outside of music. The other thing to consider is that a lot of the attitudes toward women, minorities and gays are still present in current American black culture. It has been somewhat moderated but it is still there.

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                    @Mik said in Dead Black Males:

                    Can you name any of those contributions? I'm having a hard time thinking of much of anything outside of music.

                    Well, c'mon. 😄 That's pretty damn big.

                    The other thing to consider is that a lot of the attitudes toward women, minorities and gays are still present in current American black culture. It has been somewhat moderated but it is still there.

                    Legit point. Good luck bringing that one up, though.

                    Please love yourself.

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                    • MikM Mik

                      Can you name any of those contributions? I'm having a hard time thinking of much of anything outside of music. The other thing to consider is that a lot of the attitudes toward women, minorities and gays are still present in current American black culture. It has been somewhat moderated but it is still there.

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                      @Mik The way it was written seems to "devalue" an entire society of people. I do not think it is fair to say that.

                      That would be like saying to me:

                      "Jennifer, your grandfather made no practical contribution to the general welfare of society and betterment of the human race and left behind virtually nothing of significance in any area of human endeavor."

                      I would be offended and not very happy if someone said that or wrote that, and I imagine you would feel the same way (maybe not about my grandfather, but about yours. LOL)

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                        You continue to miss the point. What do you think is happening when we are preached to on the evil of western culture?

                        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                          The progress of western civilization is largely due to our political advancements which allowed for our economic advancements which led to our technological advancements. Without the political part of it we'd still all be stuck in what would seem uncivilized times. I bet Xenon has some good thoughts on this sort of thing.

                          Education is extremely important.

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                          • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                            @Mik The way it was written seems to "devalue" an entire society of people. I do not think it is fair to say that.

                            That would be like saying to me:

                            "Jennifer, your grandfather made no practical contribution to the general welfare of society and betterment of the human race and left behind virtually nothing of significance in any area of human endeavor."

                            I would be offended and not very happy if someone said that or wrote that, and I imagine you would feel the same way (maybe not about my grandfather, but about yours. LOL)

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                            @taiwan_girl said in Dead Black Males:

                            @Mik The way it was written seems to "devalue" an entire society of people. I do not think it is fair to say that.

                            Societies suck. All societies. The more people contributing, the worse it gets.

                            Individuals are pretty cool, though. Some are even amazing.

                            The Brad

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                            • JollyJ Jolly

                              I think the author is Czech. He doesn't know any better...

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                              @Jolly said in Dead Black Males:

                              I think the author is Czech. He doesn't know any better...

                              Central and Eastern Europeans have a different group of atrocities they don't like to talk about. Some of them, in Poland for example, it's actually illegal to talk about.

                              I was only joking

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                                Aside from the atrocity of just being Polacks?

                                Only non-witches get due process.

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                                • MikM Mik

                                  You continue to miss the point. What do you think is happening when we are preached to on the evil of western culture?

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                                  @Mik said in Dead Black Males:

                                  You continue to miss the point. What do you think is happening when we are preached to on the evil of western culture?

                                  Then the author missed his point with me. Lol

                                  That is not what I understood from the article

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                                  • HoraceH Horace

                                    The progress of western civilization is largely due to our political advancements which allowed for our economic advancements which led to our technological advancements. Without the political part of it we'd still all be stuck in what would seem uncivilized times. I bet Xenon has some good thoughts on this sort of thing.

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                                    @Horace said in Dead Black Males:

                                    The progress of western civilization is largely due to our political advancements which allowed for our economic advancements which led to our technological advancements. Without the political part of it we'd still all be stuck in what would seem uncivilized times. I bet Xenon has some good thoughts on this sort of thing.

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                                      @Horace

                                      Horace said, "The progress of western civilization is largely due to our political advancements which allowed for our economic advancements which led to our technological advancements."

                                      That's very interesting, and I don't think you were being sarcastic.
                                      I would be interested in how you came to decide the taxonomy or hierarchy, or maybe simply cause-effect.

                                      I would have listed technological advancements first (e.g., telescope), then political, then economic.

                                      There's also a good chance I was reading more or less than you intended. But you do tend to state things which I find very interesting to contemplate. It just depends on whether you were being trite, or very serious I guess.

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                                        @Horace said in Dead Black Males:

                                        The progress of western civilization is largely due to our political advancements which allowed for our economic advancements which led to our technological advancements. Without the political part of it we'd still all be stuck in what would seem uncivilized times. I bet Xenon has some good thoughts on this sort of thing.

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                                        @xenon said in Dead Black Males:

                                        @Horace said in Dead Black Males:

                                        The progress of western civilization is largely due to our political advancements which allowed for our economic advancements which led to our technological advancements. Without the political part of it we'd still all be stuck in what would seem uncivilized times. I bet Xenon has some good thoughts on this sort of thing.

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                                        I wasn't being sarcastic, it seems like the sort of thing you'd have some well developed thoughts about.

                                        Education is extremely important.

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                                        • RainmanR Rainman

                                          @Horace

                                          Horace said, "The progress of western civilization is largely due to our political advancements which allowed for our economic advancements which led to our technological advancements."

                                          That's very interesting, and I don't think you were being sarcastic.
                                          I would be interested in how you came to decide the taxonomy or hierarchy, or maybe simply cause-effect.

                                          I would have listed technological advancements first (e.g., telescope), then political, then economic.

                                          There's also a good chance I was reading more or less than you intended. But you do tend to state things which I find very interesting to contemplate. It just depends on whether you were being trite, or very serious I guess.

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                                          @Rainman said in Dead Black Males:

                                          @Horace

                                          Horace said, "The progress of western civilization is largely due to our political advancements which allowed for our economic advancements which led to our technological advancements."

                                          That's very interesting, and I don't think you were being sarcastic.
                                          I would be interested in how you came to decide the taxonomy or hierarchy, or maybe simply cause-effect.

                                          I would have listed technological advancements first (e.g., telescope), then political, then economic.

                                          There's also a good chance I was reading more or less than you intended. But you do tend to state things which I find very interesting to contemplate. It just depends on whether you were being trite, or very serious I guess.

                                          I'm sure it's a big stew of causality but it would seem that meritocratic markets, allowed for by politics, are a necessary precondition to the explosion of efficiency technology has given us.

                                          Education is extremely important.

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