California
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Overall California is the most beautiful state with the opportunity to live the fullest/most engaged life and the best weather....if you can afford it.
More wealthy people retire in place rather than move unlike NY/NJ for example. California vs Florida is no comparison in terms of quality of life but $$$$
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@Loki said in California:
California vs Florida is no comparison in terms of quality of life
Depends on what you're into.
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@Horace said in California:
@ILM said in California:
Why do people keep moving here? The weather? Yes, insane rent.
In fact, they have stopped. I think there is a net yearly population decrease in CA these days. And why not? The only coasters who like it are the imbeciles who don't know any better, most of whom were born here. Very few people not from CA are in love with living in CA.
I disagree with you Horace. People are still moving here. If people would stop making High Tech their careers and wanting to work for the top 5 that pay outrageous salaries, then it would be different. However, with the ability to work from home, I don't understand why the people that are in High Tech that are given at least another year to work at home are staying in the area when they could live elsewhere for less, but their salaries are so high that some stay. I think you know the average salaries for Facebook, Google, Apple, and some of the other companies. People will pay 4K a month for a small house to rent, or they buy a house.
And there are plenty of people coming from other countries and bringing their families. Homes in the area sell very quick. Why do you think housing prices are so high here - it's because people will pay it. -
@Aqua-Letifer said in California:
@Loki said in California:
California vs Florida is no comparison in terms of quality of life
Depends on what you're into.
Outdoors year round with deep blue sky and ocean and mountains in driving distance would be at the top for many. More diverse culture than many states, which could go either way.
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I had a business partner in Florida for a few years. When we did things we he and his wife, we heard We're not shorts people' and 'we're not seafood people'. Our thoughts simultaneously were 'then WTF are you taking up space in Florida for? Move to Iowa'.
Living at the beach in San Diego was fantastic. We had big city, beach, mountains, desert all within a couple hours and the weather was fantastic.
Friends who live in Napa have a pretty idyllic life.
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@ILM said in California:
And there are plenty of people coming from other countries and bringing their families. Homes in the area sell very quick. Why do you think housing prices are so high here - it's because people will pay it.
Yes, CA imports huge numbers of immigrants to fill tech jobs. Funny thing about those folk is that they're sold on the idea that culturally, CA is totally different than the rest of America. I've heard Indian folk I've worked with refer to the American south in hushed, terrified tones, vowing never to go there. The insidious part is that native Californians then nod in agreement with them. I have listened to these sorts of conversations happen. Nobody is more convinced of how hateful and backwards America is, than Californians. We've actually seen those sorts of ideas proudly on display in the Piano forum family by native Californians who manifestly do not know any better and are the truest of true believers in that narrative. Those folks probably imagine that when they visit a small town, the people they meet will be "townies", those who never leave the place they grew up and who lead sheltered, isolated lives. What they don't get is that they are townies in their own way, but the ideas they are fed, that they are one of the cool kids from California, prevents them from thinking in those terms.
In time those ideas, as divorced from reality as they are, will dissipate. The number of immigrants we import to fill high-IQ tech jobs will not diminish, but the notion that they have to come to CA or be victimized by a backwards culture will diminish.
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@George-K said in California:
@Horace said in California:
Very few people not from CA are in love with living in CA.
Horace, you're a transplanted Cheddarhead. I assume to moved to Ca for work reasons. What don't you like about it, other than the taxes, meth...etc.
I kid California, but it's fine. However, the ignorance of the clueless woke is encroaching. I would prefer not to live in the middle of a homeless mecca, but most of our cultural centers are trending that way.
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@ILM said in California:
@Horace said in California:
@ILM said in California:
Why do people keep moving here? The weather? Yes, insane rent.
In fact, they have stopped. I think there is a net yearly population decrease in CA these days. And why not? The only coasters who like it are the imbeciles who don't know any better, most of whom were born here. Very few people not from CA are in love with living in CA.
I disagree with you Horace. People are still moving here. If people would stop making High Tech their careers and wanting to work for the top 5 that pay outrageous salaries, then it would be different. However, with the ability to work from home, I don't understand why the people that are in High Tech that are given at least another year to work at home are staying in the area when they could live elsewhere for less, but their salaries are so high that some stay. I think you know the average salaries for Facebook, Google, Apple, and some of the other companies. People will pay 4K a month for a small house to rent, or they buy a house.
And there are plenty of people coming from other countries and bringing their families. Homes in the area sell very quick. Why do you think housing prices are so high here - it's because people will pay it.Actually, Horace is right. There are more people leaving California than coming in. https://www.sacbee.com/news/databases/article236910698.html
A lot of the tech companies are leaving or shifting large parts of their workforce elsewhere -https://www.digitalistmag.com/digital-economy/2019/11/14/tech-companies-are-leaving-bay-area-in-droves-where-are-they-going-06201480/
And it has gotten worse since the COVID work from home directives https://www.theverge.com/interface/2020/5/15/21258793/bay-area-exodus-silicon-valley-san-francisco-facebook-google-apple-twitter-housing
So far, California has still shown population growth through illegal immigration and new births, but in 2020, it’s actually possible their numbers will go down which is unimaginable. I don’t think any state has ever had a decrease in population from one year to another, but it could happen now. When that happens, the problems will quickly compound.
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@Mik said in California:
I had a business partner in Florida for a few years. When we did things we he and his wife, we heard We're not shorts people' and 'we're not seafood people'. Our thoughts simultaneously were 'then WTF are you taking up space in Florida for? Move to Iowa'.
Living at the beach in San Diego was fantastic. We had big city, beach, mountains, desert all within a couple hours and the weather was fantastic.
Friends who live in Napa have a pretty idyllic life.
Would you honestly prefer to live in a city where you would be supporting the 49ers and the SF Giants? Hell no. I fully intend to retire to Pittsburgh or Cincinnati. The booze and food coming from those cities are as good as anywhere in the world, the winters and summers aren’t too bad, and the cost of living will allow us to travel anywhere we want and enjoy that time there. I can move toNapa and live like a pauper, or I can visit Napa for a month and enjoy it.
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I dunno. Talking about Californians in a singular context is misguided imo. Horace's coworkers, neighbors, friends, strangers that he encounters every day in the great Silicon Valley are collectively a mindset much different than a community in say, Colusa county.
And that's less than 2 hours away.I can't figure out how to post a picture here... did this work?
I like this map and how the lines are drawn. There's politics sure, but there's different microclimates. California=diverse. In all things.
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@ILM said in California:
@Horace said in California:
@ILM said in California:
Why do people keep moving here? The weather? Yes, insane rent.
In fact, they have stopped. I think there is a net yearly population decrease in CA these days. And why not? The only coasters who like it are the imbeciles who don't know any better, most of whom were born here. Very few people not from CA are in love with living in CA.
I disagree with you Horace. People are still moving here. If people would stop making High Tech their careers and wanting to work for the top 5 that pay outrageous salaries, then it would be different. However, with the ability to work from home, I don't understand why the people that are in High Tech that are given at least another year to work at home are staying in the area when they could live elsewhere for less, but their salaries are so high that some stay. I think you know the average salaries for Facebook, Google, Apple, and some of the other companies. People will pay 4K a month for a small house to rent, or they buy a house.
And there are plenty of people coming from other countries and bringing their families. Homes in the area sell very quick. Why do you think housing prices are so high here - it's because people will pay it.Well, 6000 from Apple have moved to Texas in the last few years...
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The number of Californians increased to 39.96 million, with new data from the Department of Finance showing mostly downward trends.
They are rooted in fewer births, coupled with increased deaths among an aging population. The Golden State, however, has also seen changes in international migration, along with more and more residents leaving the state.
The estimates, which indicate that California’s population grew by 141,300 people between July 1, 2018, and July 1, 2019, nonetheless signal a 0.35% growth rate, “down from 0.57% for the prior 12 months — the two lowest recorded growth rates since 1900,” department officials underscored.
According to the agency, natural increase (with 452,200 births and 271,400 deaths) accounted for an additional 180,800 people to the state. Still, these gains were offset by losses in net migration — that is, the total amount of people moving into the state minus the total amount of people moving out. Notably, said Eddie Hunsinger, a demographer with the Department of Finance, even though the net international migration added to the state’s population, there was substantial negative domestic net migration, which resulted in a loss of 39,500 residents. This, said the department, marks “the first time since the 2010 census that California has had more people leaving the state than moving in from abroad or other states.”
William Frey, a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution, said Friday’s findings follow a trend that demographers have seen over several years. While California has always seen domestic outmigration — people moving to other states — the rate has grown over the last decade.
