They haven't spoken over a few hours in years.
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Despite the fact that he’s a nanny state leftist he really fits in with maga.
A key part of maga is projection. Invent stories about election theft as cover to try to steal an election. Bogus lawfare claims to justify lawfare at scale.
He claims big politicians are harming children for money. Meanwhile his policies would kill thousands and he disclosed a huge financial stake in an antivaxx lawsuit.
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@jon-nyc said in They haven't spoken over a few hours in years.:
That’s his cousin (once removed).
Of course. Bought and paid for. Who do you think is orchestrating the push-back?
@Jolly said in They haven't spoken over a few hours in years.:
@jon-nyc said in They haven't spoken over a few hours in years.:
That’s his cousin (once removed).
Of course. Bought and paid for. Who do you think is orchestrating the push-back?
Everyone who is both humane and intelligent.
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Before he was bought out by Trump, most normal conservatives (as opposed to whacky conspiracy theorists) admitted he was crazy. Now, apparently he's something else.
I was only joking
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But what about the SAD? Don’t you want that fixed Jon?
Sure. But I’m reminded of what the republicans (rightly) said to GOP primary voters about Ron Paul 20 years ago.
All the stuff that he’s says that you like? Reducing the size of government, paying off the debt, balancing the budget, etc. he can’t do that without big majorities in congress.
All the scary shit he says? Pulling back US troops from everywhere and weakening our defense posture? He can do that day one.
Same with RFK Jr. He’s mostly powerless to change big food and beverage. But he can fuck with vaccines and therapeutics at will.
Only non-witches get due process.
- Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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Before he was bought out by Trump, most normal conservatives (as opposed to whacky conspiracy theorists) admitted he was crazy. Now, apparently he's something else.
@Doctor-Phibes said in They haven't spoken over a few hours in years.:
Before he was bought out by Trump, most normal conservatives (as opposed to whacky conspiracy theorists) admitted he was crazy. Now, apparently he's something else.
You could always listen to the confirmation hearings and come to a conclusion based on your own observations, rather than sound bites from podcasts, carefully culled from his entire history, and without context. I'm really not worried about him.
Education is extremely important.
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Before he was bought out by Trump, most normal conservatives (as opposed to whacky conspiracy theorists) admitted he was crazy. Now, apparently he's something else.
@Doctor-Phibes said in They haven't spoken over a few hours in years.:
Before he was bought out by Trump, most normal conservatives (as opposed to whacky conspiracy theorists) admitted he was crazy. Now, apparently he's something else.
No, many of us still think he’s nuts and possibly dangerous. I will say that his stuff about the food dyes and some of the preservatives deserve a serious conversation. I mean, why the heck are they using dyes in ibuprofen, Benadryl, etc?
The Brad
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But what about the SAD? Don’t you want that fixed Jon?
Sure. But I’m reminded of what the republicans (rightly) said to GOP primary voters about Ron Paul 20 years ago.
All the stuff that he’s says that you like? Reducing the size of government, paying off the debt, balancing the budget, etc. he can’t do that without big majorities in congress.
All the scary shit he says? Pulling back US troops from everywhere and weakening our defense posture? He can do that day one.
Same with RFK Jr. He’s mostly powerless to change big food and beverage. But he can fuck with vaccines and therapeutics at will.
@jon-nyc said in They haven't spoken over a few hours in years.:
Same with RFK Jr. He’s mostly powerless to change big food and beverage. But he can fuck with vaccines and therapeutics at will.
It would be strange to consider the power of an influential public figure and their messaging to be impotent. But to the point of being authoritarian in controlling what people eat, he has explicitly denied that that is his goal. Something about how, if people want their McDonalds, they should have their McDonalds.
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I’ve agreed with you in the past that cultural change among red state America vis a vis their atrocious diet would be a good thing. Rogan types are probably better vectors for that than a roided up old drug dealer. Hard to imagine Trump becoming a role model for being svelte and eating well.
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@jon-nyc And neither will he take away their vaccines, as much fun as deploying that rhetoric may be. I know your source of truth will be soundbites from podcasts, and I know you'll never listen to his confirmation hearings, so there you will stay.
Education is extremely important.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in They haven't spoken over a few hours in years.:
Before he was bought out by Trump, most normal conservatives (as opposed to whacky conspiracy theorists) admitted he was crazy. Now, apparently he's something else.
You could always listen to the confirmation hearings and come to a conclusion based on your own observations, rather than sound bites from podcasts, carefully culled from his entire history, and without context. I'm really not worried about him.
@Horace said in They haven't spoken over a few hours in years.:
@Doctor-Phibes said in They haven't spoken over a few hours in years.:
Before he was bought out by Trump, most normal conservatives (as opposed to whacky conspiracy theorists) admitted he was crazy. Now, apparently he's something else.
You could always listen to the confirmation hearings and come to a conclusion based on your own observations, rather than sound bites from podcasts, carefully culled from his entire history, and without context. I'm really not worried about him.
I don't think my conclusions are the problem here.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in They haven't spoken over a few hours in years.:
Before he was bought out by Trump, most normal conservatives (as opposed to whacky conspiracy theorists) admitted he was crazy. Now, apparently he's something else.
No, many of us still think he’s nuts and possibly dangerous. I will say that his stuff about the food dyes and some of the preservatives deserve a serious conversation. I mean, why the heck are they using dyes in ibuprofen, Benadryl, etc?
@LuFins-Dad said in They haven't spoken over a few hours in years.:
@Doctor-Phibes said in They haven't spoken over a few hours in years.:
Before he was bought out by Trump, most normal conservatives (as opposed to whacky conspiracy theorists) admitted he was crazy. Now, apparently he's something else.
No, many of us still think he’s nuts and possibly dangerous. I will say that his stuff about the food dyes and some of the preservatives deserve a serious conversation. I mean, why the heck are they using dyes in ibuprofen, Benadryl, etc?
I think he's wrong in some of his views. Trump has already assured people he had a long talk with RFK on vaccines before nominating him. He's been told hands off, particularly in regard to the older, standard childhood vaccines.
OTOH, RFK has some views I agree with on sugar content, high fructose corn syrup, dyes in our food and medicine, population obesity and the cost of drugs in the U.S. vs. the rest of the world.
“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
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@jon-nyc And neither will he take away their vaccines, as much fun as deploying that rhetoric may be. I know your source of truth will be soundbites from podcasts, and I know you'll never listen to his confirmation hearings, so there you will stay.
@Horace said in They haven't spoken over a few hours in years.:
@jon-nyc And neither will he take away their vaccines, as much fun as deploying that rhetoric may be. I know your source of truth will be soundbites from podcasts, and I know you'll never listen to his confirmation hearings, so there you will stay.
Put your JDS down for a spell and let’s talk about the issue at hand.
I believe he ‘won’t take away our vaccines’. But I suspect he would take initial, and deadly, steps such as mandate a Phase 4 placebo-controlled trial for most of them.
Only non-witches get due process.
- Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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@Doctor-Phibes said in They haven't spoken over a few hours in years.:
Before he was bought out by Trump, most normal conservatives (as opposed to whacky conspiracy theorists) admitted he was crazy. Now, apparently he's something else.
No, many of us still think he’s nuts and possibly dangerous. I will say that his stuff about the food dyes and some of the preservatives deserve a serious conversation. I mean, why the heck are they using dyes in ibuprofen, Benadryl, etc?
@LuFins-Dad said in They haven't spoken over a few hours in years.:
I will say that his stuff about the food dyes and some of the preservatives deserve a serious conversation.
Yes, he occasionally hits a target. The American diet is something else we should all be thinking about.
However, either he's seriously anti-vaccination, or he's cynically exploited people's fears in order to gain support. Neither alternative is good.
I was only joking
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@LuFins-Dad said in They haven't spoken over a few hours in years.:
I will say that his stuff about the food dyes and some of the preservatives deserve a serious conversation.
Yes, he occasionally hits a target. The American diet is something else we should all be thinking about.
However, either he's seriously anti-vaccination, or he's cynically exploited people's fears in order to gain support. Neither alternative is good.
@Doctor-Phibes said in They haven't spoken over a few hours in years.:
@LuFins-Dad said in They haven't spoken over a few hours in years.:
I will say that his stuff about the food dyes and some of the preservatives deserve a serious conversation.
Yes, he occasionally hits a target. The American diet is something else we should all be thinking about.
However, either he's seriously anti-vaccination, or he's cynically exploited people's fears in order to gain support. Neither alternative is good.
No, I think he's seriously anti-vax.
“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
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@Horace said in They haven't spoken over a few hours in years.:
@jon-nyc And neither will he take away their vaccines, as much fun as deploying that rhetoric may be. I know your source of truth will be soundbites from podcasts, and I know you'll never listen to his confirmation hearings, so there you will stay.
Put your JDS down for a spell and let’s talk about the issue at hand.
I believe he ‘won’t take away our vaccines’. But I suspect he would take initial, and deadly, steps such as mandate a Phase 4 placebo-controlled trial for most of them.
@jon-nyc said in They haven't spoken over a few hours in years.:
@Horace said in They haven't spoken over a few hours in years.:
@jon-nyc And neither will he take away their vaccines, as much fun as deploying that rhetoric may be. I know your source of truth will be soundbites from podcasts, and I know you'll never listen to his confirmation hearings, so there you will stay.
Put your JDS down for a spell and let’s talk about the issue at hand.
Yes I'm sorry for ever pushing back on you. I know you're innocent, always honest, never disingenuous. It's unfair that you receive pushback. You're the best of us, as you've always known, and as we've all had to learn.
I believe he ‘won’t take away our vaccines’. But I suspect he would take initial, and deadly, steps such as mandate a Phase 4 placebo-controlled trial for most of them.
I look forward to your rhetoric around this, should it happen.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in They haven't spoken over a few hours in years.:
@LuFins-Dad said in They haven't spoken over a few hours in years.:
I will say that his stuff about the food dyes and some of the preservatives deserve a serious conversation.
Yes, he occasionally hits a target. The American diet is something else we should all be thinking about.
However, either he's seriously anti-vaccination, or he's cynically exploited people's fears in order to gain support. Neither alternative is good.
No, I think he's seriously anti-vax.
@Jolly said in They haven't spoken over a few hours in years.:
No, I think he's seriously anti-vax.
So, that's not good. Not at all.
I'm fairly sure that if he'd been put forward by the position by a Democrat President, many of the people making excuses for him would be way, way more negative.
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@Jolly said in They haven't spoken over a few hours in years.:
No, I think he's seriously anti-vax.
So, that's not good. Not at all.
I'm fairly sure that if he'd been put forward by the position by a Democrat President, many of the people making excuses for him would be way, way more negative.
@Doctor-Phibes said in They haven't spoken over a few hours in years.:
@Jolly said in They haven't spoken over a few hours in years.:
No, I think he's seriously anti-vax.
So, that's not good. Not at all.
I'm fairly sure that if he'd been put forward by the position by a Democrat President, many of the people making excuses for him now would be way, way more negative.
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I'm not clear in practice what RFK would do about them if confirmed. Based on the confirmation hearings, not much. More testing? Ok, frame that as "deadly" if you will, and the rest of us can discard the rhetoric. The point about aspirin not making it through the FDA today is well-taken. Maybe all of our existing regulations are "deadly" too, if one wanted to make the rhetorical case. Such cases are not objective truth, they are just a perspective.
I sure will carry for the rest of my life a mild resentment that I was forced to take the COVID vaccine, or lose my livelihood.
Education is extremely important.
