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Does the universe suggest a creator?

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  • RenaudaR Renauda

    I tend towards a more Spinoza influenced thinking on the matter. Focus on how you control your desires and conduct your daily living rather than in what and how you believe. Essentially the Golden Rule of do unto others as you would have them into unto you or better, in the words of Hillel the Elder:

    What is hateful to you, do not do to your fellow: this is the whole Torah, the rest is commentary.

    Pretty straightforward to my way of thinking.

    I know it is not at all an easy task to follow but I would rather try to adhere to that than some millennialist superstitions that pervade various sects and ecclesial communities.

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    @Renauda said in Does the universe suggest a creator?:

    I tend towards a more Spinoza influenced thinking on the matter. Focus on how you control your desires and conduct your daily living rather than in what and how you believe. Essentially the Golden Rule of do unto others as you would have them into unto you or better, in the words of Hillel the Elder:

    What is hateful to you, do not do to your fellow: this is the whole Torah, the rest is commentary.

    Pretty straightforward to my way of thinking.

    I know it is not at all an easy task to follow but I would rather try to adhere to that than some millennialist superstitions that pervade various sects and ecclesial communities.

    We humans are really all the same. We were scattered around like seeds at one time long ago by the aliens, our benefactors. We proceeded to grow according to our environments with no knowledge of our origins, and thus feared for our lives to eventually end with no knowledge of an afterlife. So each area slowly created a vision of what an afterlife could be and a new word came into each area's vocabulary, religion. They all went shooting up this way and that but through all the differences, there remained some core human instincts of how to behave. golen.jpg

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      @Renauda said in Does the universe suggest a creator?:

      I tend towards a more Spinoza influenced thinking on the matter. Focus on how you control your desires and conduct your daily living rather than in what and how you believe. Essentially the Golden Rule of do unto others as you would have them into unto you or better, in the words of Hillel the Elder:

      What is hateful to you, do not do to your fellow: this is the whole Torah, the rest is commentary.

      Pretty straightforward to my way of thinking.

      I know it is not at all an easy task to follow but I would rather try to adhere to that than some millennialist superstitions that pervade various sects and ecclesial communities.

      We humans are really all the same. We were scattered around like seeds at one time long ago by the aliens, our benefactors. We proceeded to grow according to our environments with no knowledge of our origins, and thus feared for our lives to eventually end with no knowledge of an afterlife. So each area slowly created a vision of what an afterlife could be and a new word came into each area's vocabulary, religion. They all went shooting up this way and that but through all the differences, there remained some core human instincts of how to behave. golen.jpg

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      Renauda
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      @NobodySock

      We were scattered around like seeds at one time long ago by the aliens, our benefactors.

      I stopped reading right there.

      Not interested in anything that invokes the Book of von Däniken or the equally ridiculous Gospel According to Tsoukolos that attributes human evolution to alien contact with mankind through the ages.

      Elbows up!

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        #33

        Who created the aliens? Y'know, the questions don't start and end with us.

        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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        • RenaudaR Renauda

          @NobodySock

          We were scattered around like seeds at one time long ago by the aliens, our benefactors.

          I stopped reading right there.

          Not interested in anything that invokes the Book of von Däniken or the equally ridiculous Gospel According to Tsoukolos that attributes human evolution to alien contact with mankind through the ages.

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          Aqua Letifer
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          @Renauda said in Does the universe suggest a creator?:

          or the equally ridiculous Gospel According to Tsoukolos

          Oh c'mon that guy's hilarious.

          Please love yourself.

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            The Golden Rule is cute.

            But it really doesn't apply in tncr.

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              Renauda
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              #36

              I wonder why that is?

              Aliens?

              The fact that it is an unrepentant den of
              Iniquity?

              Elbows up!

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                Speaking as an alien, I think you chaps have got it all wrong. We're here to help. Obviously, for some of you there's little real hope, but occasionally I come across some potential.

                I was only joking

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                • RenaudaR Renauda

                  I wonder why that is?

                  Aliens?

                  The fact that it is an unrepentant den of
                  Iniquity?

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                  @Renauda said in Does the universe suggest a creator?:

                  I wonder why that is?

                  Aliens?

                  The fact that it is an unrepentant den of
                  Iniquity?

                  You misspelled inequity.

                  “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                  • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                    Speaking as an alien, I think you chaps have got it all wrong. We're here to help. Obviously, for some of you there's little real hope, but occasionally I come across some potential.

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                    Renauda
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                    #39

                    @Doctor-Phibes

                    Occasional potential…

                    Have heard something similar muttered before here dealing with another unlikelihood.

                    Elbows up!

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                    • MikM Mik

                      @Renauda said in Does the universe suggest a creator?:

                      I wonder why that is?

                      Aliens?

                      The fact that it is an unrepentant den of
                      Iniquity?

                      You misspelled inequity.

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                      @Mik said in [Does the universe suggest a creator

                      You misspelled inequity.

                      You misread iniquity. Spelling correct.

                      Elbows up!

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                        Dang. I hate when I do that.

                        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                        • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

                          @Renauda said in Does the universe suggest a creator?:

                          or the equally ridiculous Gospel According to Tsoukolos

                          Oh c'mon that guy's hilarious.

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                          @Aqua-Letifer said in Does the universe suggest a creator?:

                          @Renauda said in Does the universe suggest a creator?:

                          or the equally ridiculous Gospel According to Tsoukolos

                          Oh c'mon that guy's hilarious.

                          Well, I’ll give you that. Also his sometimes sideman, David Childress is 3 Stooges worthy zany.

                          Elbows up!

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                          • RenaudaR Renauda

                            @NobodySock

                            We were scattered around like seeds at one time long ago by the aliens, our benefactors.

                            I stopped reading right there.

                            Not interested in anything that invokes the Book of von Däniken or the equally ridiculous Gospel According to Tsoukolos that attributes human evolution to alien contact with mankind through the ages.

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                            @Renauda said in Does the universe suggest a creator?:

                            @NobodySock

                            We were scattered around like seeds at one time long ago by the aliens, our benefactors.

                            I stopped reading right there.

                            Not interested in anything that invokes the Book of von Däniken or the equally ridiculous Gospel According to Tsoukolos that attributes human evolution to alien contact with mankind through the ages.

                            This was all tongue and cheek. I hope you understand that. But hmmmmmm, No that i think about it, it could make for a great story. I should write some books on the idea. Maybe get a following of people.

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                              One can be forgiven for not seeing the humor. Y’know, California and all that…..

                              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                @Renauda said in Does the universe suggest a creator?:

                                @NobodySock

                                We were scattered around like seeds at one time long ago by the aliens, our benefactors.

                                I stopped reading right there.

                                Not interested in anything that invokes the Book of von Däniken or the equally ridiculous Gospel According to Tsoukolos that attributes human evolution to alien contact with mankind through the ages.

                                This was all tongue and cheek. I hope you understand that. But hmmmmmm, No that i think about it, it could make for a great story. I should write some books on the idea. Maybe get a following of people.

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                                Renauda
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                                @NobodySock

                                There may however be something to your mirth although it does not involve technologically advanced extra-terrestrial beings. Just chemical bricks and mortar building blocks:

                                "We now know from Bennu that the raw ingredients of life were combining in really interesting and complex ways on Bennu's parent body," Tim McCoy, curator of meteorites at the Smithsonian's Natural Museum of Natural History and lead author of the new mineral study, said in a news release.

                                https://www.cbc.ca/news/science/asteroid-bennu-chemistry-1.7444567

                                Elbows up!

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