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  • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

    That’s not a fold.

    His complaint was the military plane. He thought that it was inconsistent with Colombian dignity and was happy to take them on a civilian planes. Whatever you think of the relevance of that distinction (‘dignity’ rarely comes to mind when I’m on a commercial flight) this is him implementing his own idea.

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    Jolly
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    @jon-nyc said in Colombia:

    That’s not a fold.

    His complaint was the military plane. He thought that it was inconsistent with Colombian dignity and was happy to take them on a civilian planes. Whatever you think of the relevance of that distinction (‘dignity’ rarely comes to mind when I’m on a commercial flight) this is him implementing his own idea.

    $448.1M worth of dignity.

    It's a fold.

    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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      jon-nyc
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      #13

      No, he’s implementing the solution he insisted upon.

      You were warned.

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        George K
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        NRO's take:

        Gustavo Petro, the socialist president of Colombia, made the mistake of posing for his international audience of left-wing admirers (he is the first socialist to lead modern Colombia, and he’s an ex-guerilla to boot) by publicly refusing to accept the repatriation of Colombian illegals immigrants who were in the United States. The rubber met the road earlier today when he turned away two inbound flights from the U.S. filled with aliens, preventing them from landing, to prove that Trump “can’t treat Colombian migrants as criminals.”

        Trump responded in a sober and measured fashion minutes later, announcing (1) a 25 percent tariff on all Colombian goods, to be raised to 50 percent after a week; (2) a complete travel ban and visa revocation of all Colombian government officials in the United States (tantamount to diplomatic expulsion from the country); (3) sanctions on anyone and everyone in the Colombian government, as well as “family members and supporters”; (4) enhanced border inspections for anything and everything Colombian, whether goods or people; (5) international banking sanctions.

        This is justly characterizable as “the nuclear option” in the diplomatic realm. Rather than preside over the immediate economic ruin of his nation, Gustavo Petro responded minutes later by apologizing and offering his own presidential airplane to help out if necessary. (That is justly characterizable as “kissing the ring.”)

        My reaction to this is simple: good. This is precisely what the people who elected Trump were expecting to see from him — I wasn’t one of those people, but you better believe I will defend the proper use of American power. The idea of any regime having the temerity to refuse to take back its citizens who are abroad illegally is not one that America (or Trump’s administration) can afford to countenance, and while all the usual suspects were rending their garments about it online, I for once found myself pleased to see Trump wield the Big Stick of international diplomacy like a mace, if only pour encourager les autres. In any event, during that short half hour, it was hilarious to read Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez’s weeping about coffee bean prices as Ana Navarro predicted the cancellation of Valentine’s Day because of a potential shortage of (Colombian-imported) roses — frankly, it’s impressive that these two managed to embarrass themselves within such a narrow window of time. (They were quick on the draw, if nothing else!)

        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          #15

          They should actually read what he said he objected to. This is shit reporting. Fox’s too.

          You were warned.

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            jon-nyc
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            #16

            Even the US military acknowledged that military planes were the issue.

            You were warned.

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              jon-nyc
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              #17

              Apparently he briefly stopped flights in 2023 for the same reason.

              You were warned.

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                jon-nyc
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                #18

                I wonder if China will suddenly buy a lot more from Colombia.

                You were warned.

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                  jon-nyc
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                  #19

                  Now they caved, if this is correct.

                  IMG_2606.jpeg

                  You were warned.

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                    Can't blame Colombia for trying. Definitely would have worked against Biden.

                    Education is extremely important.

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                      Wait, the President of Colombia is so concerned about the dignity of these citizens that he will fly them on the Presidential plane rather than have them suffer the indignity of flying in a military plane, yet they claim they came to the US for asylum?

                      The Brad

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                        jon-nyc
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                        #22

                        I imagine he was looking for a face-saving way to get off the limb. It was his own dignity he tried to save with the presidential plane.

                        You were warned.

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                        • George KG Offline
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                          George K
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                          https://www.state.gov/ending-illegal-immigration-in-the-united-states/

                          Colombian President Petro had authorized flights and provided all needed authorizations and then canceled his authorization when the planes were in the air.

                          Is it possible that Colombian authorities had no idea what kind of aircraft are being uses? Possible, I suppose.

                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                            This is very good PR for the Trump admin.

                            Education is extremely important.

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                              I doubt it. My guess is the flights were approved at lower operational levels per normal and then the president just decided to make himself a hero an ass out of himself for the retweets.

                              You were warned.

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                              • HoraceH Horace

                                This is very good PR for the Trump admin.

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                                @Horace said in Colombia:

                                This is very good PR for the Trump admin.

                                Agreed.

                                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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