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  • N NobodySock

    @Jolly said in Hegseth Confirmed:

    Something Hegseth said in his hearings that stuck with me...

    " We won World War 2 with seven four-star generals. Today, we have forty-four. "

    Our military today has become much much larger and complicated than the days of Hitler. Look only at it's current budget to see that it is critically important to place a person of great experience in dealing with a trillion dollar budget and making critical decisions toward keeping this country safe from harm. Is it not clear for all to see that Trump decided by himself that such a person would not serve as the best option when said person holds the Constitution as paramount in all decision making, over subservience to the king? Trump is attempting to remove each and every guardrail that exists this second time around. The first time is what we can all call a practice game. Much has been learned from that exhibition and now the real game starts. For him to win this game, he needs an unfettered lane of opportunity to unilaterally see his plans through. So many guardrails exist today that will quickly be dismantled with the current crew of applicants for Cabinet positions. This one disturbs me over any of the others, except maybe for Patel at FBI.

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    @NobodySock said in Hegseth Confirmed:

    Our military today has become much much larger and complicated than the days of Hitler.

    The American military today has 1.3 million active duty personnel.

    In WW2, the American had 16 million active duty personnel. 11,200,000 in the Army ( includes Army Air Corps), 4,200,000 in the Navy, and 660,000 in the Marine Corps.

    The American military had 300,000 aircraft at the end of WW2. The U.S. today has 13,232 aircraft, counting both fixed and rotary wing assets.

    During WW2, Americans built over 88,000 tanks. This does not count a little over 10,000 tank destroyers.

    The Navy had 6,000 commissioned vessels. Today they have 470.

    In WW2, the United States concurrently fought in Italy, Burma-China, Western Europe, and the South Pacific. An active, shooting war.

    More complicated today? I think not.

    Larger? Bwahahahaha!

    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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    • JollyJ Jolly

      @NobodySock said in Hegseth Confirmed:

      Our military today has become much much larger and complicated than the days of Hitler.

      The American military today has 1.3 million active duty personnel.

      In WW2, the American had 16 million active duty personnel. 11,200,000 in the Army ( includes Army Air Corps), 4,200,000 in the Navy, and 660,000 in the Marine Corps.

      The American military had 300,000 aircraft at the end of WW2. The U.S. today has 13,232 aircraft, counting both fixed and rotary wing assets.

      During WW2, Americans built over 88,000 tanks. This does not count a little over 10,000 tank destroyers.

      The Navy had 6,000 commissioned vessels. Today they have 470.

      In WW2, the United States concurrently fought in Italy, Burma-China, Western Europe, and the South Pacific. An active, shooting war.

      More complicated today? I think not.

      Larger? Bwahahahaha!

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      @Jolly said in Hegseth Confirmed:

      @NobodySock said in Hegseth Confirmed:

      Our military today has become much much larger and complicated than the days of Hitler.

      The American military today has 1.3 million active duty personnel.

      In WW2, the American had 16 million active duty personnel. 11,200,000 in the Army ( includes Army Air Corps), 4,200,000 in the Navy, and 660,000 in the Marine Corps.

      The American military had 300,000 aircraft at the end of WW2. The U.S. today has 13,232 aircraft, counting both fixed and rotary wing assets.

      During WW2, Americans built over 88,000 tanks. This does not count a little over 10,000 tank destroyers.

      The Navy had 6,000 commissioned vessels. Today they have 470.

      In WW2, the United States concurrently fought in Italy, Burma-China, Western Europe, and the South Pacific. An active, shooting war.

      More complicated today? I think not.

      Larger? Bwahahahaha!

      i do appreciate being fact checked and corrected in my notion that we are bigger today. I did not do my homework but also didn't think in terms of the buildup needed to make world war. But I will offer in my defense, that todays equipment and trained personnel have a much deeper investment of capital than the days of your with military equipment mass produced on the assembly lines throughout the nation. Today's single F22 fighter jet, I imagine costs more than 1000 mustangs put together in a rush even when considering inflation. The point being, as George has posted one of the vote no's, Mitch McConnel pretty much put it in perspective. I do hope he is surrounded by the best and that he heeds their wisdom , but there will most likely come many times in th next four years, Trump's wishes that would collide with the sage advice offered. We will see. Hell of a gamble for what? Another yes man?

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        Cost of P-51 Mustang in today's dollars = $3.1M. 16,776 were built.

        The U.S has 186 F-22 fighters costing approximately $120M each.

        You can do the math.

        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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          Pete's message:

          https://www.defense.gov/News/Releases/Release/Article/4040940/secretary-hegseths-message-to-the-force/

          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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            Good message.

            “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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              There is at least one clearly defined goal which should be measurable. Recruitment. Another might be physical standards and conditioning.

              The Brad

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              • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                There is at least one clearly defined goal which should be measurable. Recruitment. Another might be physical standards and conditioning.

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                @LuFins-Dad said in Hegseth Confirmed:

                Another might be physical standards and conditioning.

                You misogynist.

                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                  @LuFins-Dad said in Hegseth Confirmed:

                  Another might be physical standards and conditioning.

                  You misogynist.

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                  @George-K said in Hegseth Confirmed:

                  @LuFins-Dad said in Hegseth Confirmed:

                  Another might be physical standards and conditioning.

                  You misogynist.

                  So I have been told, but I don’t recall accusing Hegseth of writing teenage girl fanfic….

                  The Brad

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                    @Horace

                    The philandering gets more ink but the bigger reason to oppose him is he’s a weekend talk show host with no experience running an organization.

                    If he fails, which he may well not, it’ll be because the bureaucracy eats him alive.

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                    @jon-nyc said in Hegseth Confirmed:

                    bigger reason to oppose him is he’s a weekend talk show host with no experience running an organization.

                    If he fails, which he may well not, it’ll be because the bureaucracy eats him alive.

                    This. This was always my concern about him. The "ship" is so large, that no matter how much he wants to disrupt it, it will be very difficult.

                    I am sure that there are many silo's within the organization, and people will do what they can to protect their silo.

                    I hope he does succeed, but the odds may be against him.

                    You wouldn't bring in a middle school football coach to be the coach of the University. Of Louisiana. (I guess you could, but chances are that he would not succeed).

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                      Better analogy would be a former middle school player.

                      Only non-witches get due process.

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