Hegseth Confirmed
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wrote on 25 Jan 2025, 14:57 last edited by
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wrote on 25 Jan 2025, 15:22 last edited by
I think Murkowski, Collins, and McConnell are going to be eating a whole lot worse things than what we posted in @jon-nyc thread…
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wrote on 25 Jan 2025, 15:23 last edited by
@George-K said in Hegseth Confirmed:
América needs to teach civics again. This shouldn’t have been a surprise to him.
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@George-K said in Hegseth Confirmed:
América needs to teach civics again. This shouldn’t have been a surprise to him.
wrote on 25 Jan 2025, 15:24 last edited by@jon-nyc said in Hegseth Confirmed:
@George-K said in Hegseth Confirmed:
América needs to teach civics again. This shouldn’t have been a surprise to him.
It’s a frigging joke, Jon…
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wrote on 25 Jan 2025, 15:24 last edited by
So was mine.
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wrote on 25 Jan 2025, 15:26 last edited by jon-nyc
Also he quit voting in the senate 8 months ago. So it probably did seem weird.
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My liberal podcast friends are beside themselves with this one. "Worst cabinet pick in the history of America", says The Bulwark. I'm not remotely worried about Hegseth personally, and I find the primary reasoning to oppose him, about his philandering, to be laughable in the face of what some of our most venerated top-level politicians have often been. The stories of JFK and his dalliances with the white house interns didn't seem to keep him from being considered a great, great man. This is all special pleading, and I don't expect Hegseth to stumble in that way in this role.
wrote on 25 Jan 2025, 15:33 last edited byThe philandering gets more ink but the bigger reason to oppose him is he’s a weekend talk show host with no experience running an organization.
If he fails, which he may well not, it’ll be because the bureaucracy eats him alive.
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The philandering gets more ink but the bigger reason to oppose him is he’s a weekend talk show host with no experience running an organization.
If he fails, which he may well not, it’ll be because the bureaucracy eats him alive.
wrote on 25 Jan 2025, 15:43 last edited by@jon-nyc said in Hegseth Confirmed:
The philandering gets more ink but the bigger reason to oppose him is he’s a weekend talk show host with no experience running an organization.
If he fails, which he may well not, it’ll be because the bureaucracy eats him alive.
That’s what the whole next 2 years is really about. The specific reason why he was chosen was to disrupt and dismantle the bureaucracy. It will be a popcorn heavy 18 months…
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The philandering gets more ink but the bigger reason to oppose him is he’s a weekend talk show host with no experience running an organization.
If he fails, which he may well not, it’ll be because the bureaucracy eats him alive.
wrote on 25 Jan 2025, 15:48 last edited by@jon-nyc said in Hegseth Confirmed:
The philandering gets more ink but the bigger reason to oppose him is he’s a weekend talk show host with no experience running an organization.
If he fails, which he may well not, it’ll be because the bureaucracy eats him alive.
You forgot axe-thrower.
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wrote on 25 Jan 2025, 15:51 last edited by
That’s VP worthy
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@jon-nyc said in Hegseth Confirmed:
The philandering gets more ink but the bigger reason to oppose him is he’s a weekend talk show host with no experience running an organization.
If he fails, which he may well not, it’ll be because the bureaucracy eats him alive.
That’s what the whole next 2 years is really about. The specific reason why he was chosen was to disrupt and dismantle the bureaucracy. It will be a popcorn heavy 18 months…
wrote on 25 Jan 2025, 15:52 last edited by@LuFins-Dad said in Hegseth Confirmed:
@jon-nyc said in Hegseth Confirmed:
The philandering gets more ink but the bigger reason to oppose him is he’s a weekend talk show host with no experience running an organization.
If he fails, which he may well not, it’ll be because the bureaucracy eats him alive.
That’s what the whole next 2 years is really about. The specific reason why he was chosen was to disrupt and dismantle the bureaucracy. It will be a popcorn heavy 18 months…
No doubt he’ll implement culture war stuff very publicly. Can’t imagine he’d be anywhere as good as, say, Rummy at taking on the bureaucracy in general. He had force of will, shit tons of CEO experience, and prior knowledge from his stint in the 70s.
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That’s VP worthy
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@jon-nyc said in Hegseth Confirmed:
The philandering gets more ink but the bigger reason to oppose him is he’s a weekend talk show host with no experience running an organization.
If he fails, which he may well not, it’ll be because the bureaucracy eats him alive.
That’s what the whole next 2 years is really about. The specific reason why he was chosen was to disrupt and dismantle the bureaucracy. It will be a popcorn heavy 18 months…
wrote on 25 Jan 2025, 17:37 last edited by@LuFins-Dad said in Hegseth Confirmed:
@jon-nyc said in Hegseth Confirmed:
The philandering gets more ink but the bigger reason to oppose him is he’s a weekend talk show host with no experience running an organization.
If he fails, which he may well not, it’ll be because the bureaucracy eats him alive.
That’s what the whole next 2 years is really about. The specific reason why he was chosen was to disrupt and dismantle the bureaucracy. It will be a popcorn heavy 18 months…
You sir, are right.
See his generals comment above.
Also, I think he's tasked with cutting inefficient, costly systems. The Chinese can build an aircraft carrier in 18 months, while it takes us ten years.
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wrote on 25 Jan 2025, 17:43 last edited by Jolly
I think you're going to see more stuff like this:
Link to videoRelatively cheap, evolutionary not revolutionary, tons of spare parts and modular.
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wrote on 25 Jan 2025, 20:06 last edited by
So Hegseth was confirmed at 10PM on a Friday night? I mean, he had to have been at a bar, right?
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The philandering gets more ink but the bigger reason to oppose him is he’s a weekend talk show host with no experience running an organization.
If he fails, which he may well not, it’ll be because the bureaucracy eats him alive.
wrote on 25 Jan 2025, 20:23 last edited by@jon-nyc said in Hegseth Confirmed:
The philandering gets more ink but the bigger reason to oppose him is he’s a weekend talk show host with no experience running an organization.
If he fails, which he may well not, it’ll be because the bureaucracy eats him alive.
Was Lloyd Austin a failure or a success, or did he just occupy the position? If Hegseth lasts, then failure or success will be in the eye of the beholder.
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wrote on 25 Jan 2025, 20:37 last edited by
I suppose that partly depends on what the expectations are when he’s selected. Austin wasn’t selected to ‘disrupt and dismantle’ the bureaucracy. Hegseth was, so I’m told.
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I suppose that partly depends on what the expectations are when he’s selected. Austin wasn’t selected to ‘disrupt and dismantle’ the bureaucracy. Hegseth was, so I’m told.
wrote on 25 Jan 2025, 20:50 last edited by@jon-nyc He'll get some culture war stuff done, and that'll be enough to satisfy that requirement for success. If he lasts, if he isn't fired by Trump and doesn't resign, then I don't anticipate any situation where there will be an objective measure of failure or success. Which is why I have trouble with the notion that the job is super difficult. There is not any easy way to measure how well this difficult job has been accomplished. Sometimes history judges, such as with McNamara, who even judged himself.
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wrote on 25 Jan 2025, 20:52 last edited by
Again it still seems to me that it needs to be judged against the expectations of the president. If the expectations are ‘keep the seat warm and don’t fuck anything up’ that’s one thing. If it’s ’dismantle the bureaucracy’ or ‘build out 18 carrier groups armed with 100k drones each’ that’s another.
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wrote on 25 Jan 2025, 20:58 last edited by
There won't be a measurable definition of "dismantling the bureaucracy", but people will be able to hand wave claims to have done so. Even the DEI removal, already accomplished, can be considered that. Hegseth won't be standing in the way of DOGE as it does things that might be framed as "dismantling the bureaucracy" by making the information systems more efficient, I mean on the off chance that that happens. I do not anticipate any objective measures here.