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    xenon
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    These guys couldn’t even make it to the inauguration. I like it though - it’s fun. It’s a real policy discussion, just done in WWE style.

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      A real critique of the abuses of the H1B system (which I’m generally a supporter of). Nevertheless this deserves attention.

      Only non-witches get due process.

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        I haven’t really examined the chart, but I can imagine all the unanticipated outcomes that have occurred. Still, a smart immigration policy would be welcome.

        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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          @jon-nyc said in Vivek's Blood, Sweat & Tears Comment:

          Dang ... Bannon characterizes Musk with the term "running dog [for the CCP]" ... that's particularly damning when mentioned in the context of cozying up to the CCP. It's at the same level as accusing a Jew of working for the Nazi.

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            @jon-nyc said in Vivek's Blood, Sweat & Tears Comment:

            Dang ... Bannon characterizes Musk with the term "running dog [for the CCP]" ... that's particularly damning when mentioned in the context of cozying up to the CCP. It's at the same level as accusing a Jew of working for the Nazi.

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            #48

            @Axtremus

            Not exactly, it was an epithet more commonly used by Stalinist prosecutors and judges in show trials against alleged Trotskyists in the 1930s. Likewise the term “enemy of the people” Trump sometimes has used originated similarly during the Great Terror.

            Elbows up!

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              With the CCP in context, the term "running dog" can be a literal translation of the term 「走狗」, the usage of which predates Marx by a century, commonly used in Chinese literature to label those working for evil powers to oppress their own people.

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                Possible then that the Bolsheviks appropriated it from the Chinese. Would come as no surprise.

                Elbows up!

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                  My experience with H1B hires is all about cheap labor.

                  The talk about talent is nonsense.

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                    Only non-witches get due process.

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                      My experience with H1B hires is all about cheap labor.

                      The talk about talent is nonsense.

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                      @Copper said in Vivek's Blood, Sweat & Tears Comment:

                      My experience with H1B hires is all about cheap labor.

                      The talk about talent is nonsense.

                      Not sure what is nonsensical about talk about talent, but certainly talent at a discount is what H1Bs are about.

                      Education is extremely important.

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                        Trump always keeps things interesting:

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                          jon-nyc
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                          #55

                          Newton’s Third Law of Trump. For every Trump action there can be found an equal and opposite Trump reaction.

                          Only non-witches get due process.

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                            Newton’s Third Law of Trump. For every Trump action there can be found an equal and opposite Trump reaction.

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                            @jon-nyc said in Vivek's Blood, Sweat & Tears Comment:

                            Newton’s Third Law of Trump. For every Trump action there can be found an equal and opposite Trump reaction.

                            That's not bad. Just curious, did you see it on your twitter feed, or did you come up with it?

                            Education is extremely important.

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                              You want absolute, unchanging honesty?

                              Buy a dog.

                              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                @jon-nyc said in Vivek's Blood, Sweat & Tears Comment:

                                Newton’s Third Law of Trump. For every Trump action there can be found an equal and opposite Trump reaction.

                                That's not bad. Just curious, did you see it on your twitter feed, or did you come up with it?

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                                @Horace said in Vivek's Blood, Sweat & Tears Comment:

                                @jon-nyc said in Vivek's Blood, Sweat & Tears Comment:

                                Newton’s Third Law of Trump. For every Trump action there can be found an equal and opposite Trump reaction.

                                That's not bad. Just curious, did you see it on your twitter feed, or did you come up with it?

                                I came up with it here during his last term. Even tried to find my exact line but search is broken at the old site. “Equal and opposite” even in quotes was showing me every post with ‘and’ in it.

                                Only non-witches get due process.

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                                  @Horace said in Vivek's Blood, Sweat & Tears Comment:

                                  @jon-nyc said in Vivek's Blood, Sweat & Tears Comment:

                                  Newton’s Third Law of Trump. For every Trump action there can be found an equal and opposite Trump reaction.

                                  That's not bad. Just curious, did you see it on your twitter feed, or did you come up with it?

                                  I came up with it here during his last term. Even tried to find my exact line but search is broken at the old site. “Equal and opposite” even in quotes was showing me every post with ‘and’ in it.

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                                  @jon-nyc said in Vivek's Blood, Sweat & Tears Comment:

                                  @Horace said in Vivek's Blood, Sweat & Tears Comment:

                                  @jon-nyc said in Vivek's Blood, Sweat & Tears Comment:

                                  Newton’s Third Law of Trump. For every Trump action there can be found an equal and opposite Trump reaction.

                                  That's not bad. Just curious, did you see it on your twitter feed, or did you come up with it?

                                  I came up with it here during his last term. Even tried to find my exact line but search is broken at the old site. “Equal and opposite” even in quotes was showing me every post with ‘and’ in it.

                                  Bravo.

                                  Education is extremely important.

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                                    jon-nyc
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                                    #60

                                    Interesting question Though you’d have to net this against the jobs they help automate away.

                                    Only non-witches get due process.

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                                      You realize that if they cut off the H1B Visas, there would be practically nobody left playing piano in the US. Right?

                                      The Brad

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                                        This is like the whole “They’re eating the pets” issue. Young and educated American kids are not losing their employment opportunities to young and educated foreign nationals, though it is likely lowering the wage levels by 5% or so… They possibly are affecting older tech employees that once laid off have problems finding new opportunities, though that’s as much about new technologies passing them by as it is foreigners taking their jobs.

                                        But, at the same time, there are some abuses in the system that do need to be rectified and corrected…

                                        The Brad

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                                          jon-nyc
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                                          I thought this was funny. YMMV.

                                          https://www.facebook.com/share/r/1DpM9ZswCX/?mibextid=wwXIfr

                                          Only non-witches get due process.

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