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@LuFins-Dad said in OnlyFans:
Fine. Does that maintain Christian values?
No, I would have to say that in my opinion a cocktease is not upholding Christian values. But I’m also not going to say that somebody else is not living up to Christ’s values, especially since he told me specifically not to.
14 Now God has not only raised the Lord, but will also raise us up through His power. 15 Do you not know that your bodies are members of Christ? Shall I then take away the members of Christ and make them members of a prostitute? May it never be! 16 Or do you not know that the one who joins himself to a prostitute is one body with her? For He says, “The two shall become one flesh.” 17 But the one who joins himself to the Lord is one spirit with Him. 18 Flee immorality. Every other sin that a man commits is outside the body, but the [j]immoral man sins against his own body. 19 Or do you not know that your body is a [k]temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from [l]God, and that you are not your own? 20 For you have been bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body.
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Great. Now show me where she’s prostituted herself?
And there’s also the whole “Judge not”, “Let he who is without sin”, and all that.
As those were the actual words of Jesus, I tend to hold them a little higher in determining Christianity than the words of Paul.
Of course, I also notice that Paul doesn’t even speak to this.
The girl posts some pictures of herself scantily clothed. I’ve noticed plenty of times that you have admired photos of healthy young ladies…
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Great. Now show me where she’s prostituted herself?
And there’s also the whole “Judge not”, “Let he who is without sin”, and all that.
As those were the actual words of Jesus, I tend to hold them a little higher in determining Christianity than the words of Paul.
Of course, I also notice that Paul doesn’t even speak to this.
The girl posts some pictures of herself scantily clothed. I’ve noticed plenty of times that you have admired photos of healthy young ladies…
@LuFins-Dad said in OnlyFans:
Great. Now show me where she’s prostituted herself?
California law, which is more liberal than other states, says: Penal Code 647(b) PC: prostitution is defined as the exchange of money, goods or services for sex or lewd conduct. It’s important to note that the sex or lewd conduct sometimes doesn’t actually need to take place for the act to be considered “complete.”
What did Jesus say about lewdness or lascivious conduct? Here's something from the earliest of the synoptic Gospels, Mark...
20 And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man.
21 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,
22 Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:
23 All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.
That's KJV. If we go back to the Greek, the word for lewd or lascivious is ἀσέλγεια. Strong (766 if you want to look it up yourself) defines that as "licentiousness, debauchery, sensuality and lewdness".
Back to Jesus and what he said in Matthew 5 ...
27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
So, if a believer is leading someone into sin, what did Jesus say about that in Matthew 18?
6 But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.
The NASB may be a little clearer... 6 but whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in Me to stumble, it [d]would be better for him to have a [e]heavy millstone hung around his neck, and to be drowned in the depth of the sea.
Now, some folks think that Jesus is speaking strictly about children, but the majority of Biblical scholars, looking at the chapter in context, believe when he references the "little children", Jesus is referring to all believers as His little children and that no believer should intentionally lead other Christians into sin.
Therefore, what have we established?
- Jesus states that lewd or lascivious behavior is Evil. Period. Full stop.
- Jesus sates that lusting after a woman is the same as having sex with her in the physical sense and is sinful.
- Jesus states that intentionally leading believers into sin deserves a millstone around your neck and drowning (death).
I could go into the "What part of the Bible do you believe?" argument and the fallacy of cherry-picked theology. Or I could go to the argument that some people make, "if Jesus didn't say it, it's not true", but you and I both know that's an extremely weak argument for several reasons. One reason being that much of what Jesus said can be tied directly back to the OT and He is simply repeating what the Jews already knew. Another reason is that the writers of the New Testament wrote that which was inspired (or as Timothy puts it, God-breathed) by God. As such, it is authoritative and I believe inerrant.
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Great. Now show me where she’s prostituted herself?
And there’s also the whole “Judge not”, “Let he who is without sin”, and all that.
As those were the actual words of Jesus, I tend to hold them a little higher in determining Christianity than the words of Paul.
Of course, I also notice that Paul doesn’t even speak to this.
The girl posts some pictures of herself scantily clothed. I’ve noticed plenty of times that you have admired photos of healthy young ladies…
@LuFins-Dad said in OnlyFans:
And there’s also the whole “Judge not”, “Let he who is without sin”, and all that.
Now, you know better than that.
There is a whole book in the Bible named Judges, about God raising men up to act as judges. Again, to go back to the Words of Jesus in John 7:
24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.
Jesus is telling us to judge. Modern Christians prefer the word discernment, but it's all the same thing.
In Matthew 7:6, Jesus says, Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.
Later, in the same chapter, He says,
15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
Jesus is telling us to judge in the same chapter he told us to judge. Is Jesus contradicting Himself?
Here's what he said at the beginning of the chapter:
1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.
So, no, I don't think Jesus is contradicting Himself. If you read what the Master said we are most definitely to judge, but we are to judge in a certain way - not hypocritical, not unforgiving and not self-righteously
Christians are often accused of “judging” or intolerance when they speak out against sin. Being against sin is not wrong. Holding to a standard of righteousness naturally defines unrighteousness and draws the howls of those who choose sin over godliness. Consider John the Baptist in Mark 6 when he incurred the wrath of Herodias when he spoke out against her adultery with Herod.
18 For John had said unto Herod, It is not lawful for thee to have thy brother's wife.
19 Therefore Herodias had a quarrel against him, and would have killed him; but she could not:
20 For Herod feared John, knowing that he was a just man and an holy, and observed him; and when he heard him, he did many things, and heard him gladly.
21 And when a convenient day was come, that Herod on his birthday made a supper to his lords, high captains, and chief estates of Galilee;
22 And when the daughter of the said Herodias came in, and danced, and pleased Herod and them that sat with him, the king said unto the damsel, Ask of me whatsoever thou wilt, and I will give it thee.
23 And he sware unto her, Whatsoever thou shalt ask of me, I will give it thee, unto the half of my kingdom.
24 And she went forth, and said unto her mother, What shall I ask? And she said, The head of John the Baptist.
John judged and was executed for it. But even though Herodius was able to silence John's tongue, the Truth (and his judgement) lived on.
“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
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@Doctor-Phibes said in OnlyFans:
Shall I continue?
Would buying your BIL a stripper named Cinammon constitute intentionally leading a believer into sin?
Yep.
I've done a few things in life that might curl what's left of your hair. But I do know right from wrong.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in OnlyFans:
Shall I continue?
Would buying your BIL a stripper named Cinammon constitute intentionally leading a believer into sin?
Yep.
I've done a few things in life that might curl what's left of your hair. But I do know right from wrong.
@Doctor-Phibes said in OnlyFans:
Shall I continue?
Would buying your BIL a stripper named Cinammon constitute intentionally leading a believer into sin?
Yep.
I've done a few things in life that might curl what's left of your hair. But I do know right from wrong.
Does knowing it’s wrong make it better in old school Christian teaching? I would have the opposite would apply. Just saying….
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@Doctor-Phibes said in OnlyFans:
Shall I continue?
Would buying your BIL a stripper named Cinammon constitute intentionally leading a believer into sin?
Yep.
I've done a few things in life that might curl what's left of your hair. But I do know right from wrong.
Does knowing it’s wrong make it better in old school Christian teaching? I would have the opposite would apply. Just saying….
@Doctor-Phibes said in OnlyFans:
@Doctor-Phibes said in OnlyFans:
Shall I continue?
Would buying your BIL a stripper named Cinammon constitute intentionally leading a believer into sin?
Yep.
I've done a few things in life that might curl what's left of your hair. But I do know right from wrong.
Does knowing it’s wrong make it better in old school Christian teaching? I would have the opposite would apply. Just saying….
I think so. What do you base your conceptions of right and wrong upon?
“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
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@Doctor-Phibes said in OnlyFans:
@Doctor-Phibes said in OnlyFans:
Shall I continue?
Would buying your BIL a stripper named Cinammon constitute intentionally leading a believer into sin?
Yep.
I've done a few things in life that might curl what's left of your hair. But I do know right from wrong.
Does knowing it’s wrong make it better in old school Christian teaching? I would have the opposite would apply. Just saying….
I think so. What do you base your conceptions of right and wrong upon?
@Doctor-Phibes said in OnlyFans:
@Doctor-Phibes said in OnlyFans:
Shall I continue?
Would buying your BIL a stripper named Cinammon constitute intentionally leading a believer into sin?
Yep.
I've done a few things in life that might curl what's left of your hair. But I do know right from wrong.
Does knowing it’s wrong make it better in old school Christian teaching? I would have the opposite would apply. Just saying….
I think so. What do you base your conceptions of right and wrong upon?
Well that all gets rather complicated. I can’t really say Christian teaching because I honestly never agreed with that whole sex before marriage being sinful thing you chaps have got going on. A humanist view is more along the lines of ‘first, do no harm’, but there’s probably a lot of Judaeo Christian teaching in that too.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in OnlyFans:
@Doctor-Phibes said in OnlyFans:
Shall I continue?
Would buying your BIL a stripper named Cinammon constitute intentionally leading a believer into sin?
Yep.
I've done a few things in life that might curl what's left of your hair. But I do know right from wrong.
Does knowing it’s wrong make it better in old school Christian teaching? I would have the opposite would apply. Just saying….
I think so. What do you base your conceptions of right and wrong upon?
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@LuFins-Dad said in OnlyFans:
And there’s also the whole “Judge not”, “Let he who is without sin”, and all that.
Now, you know better than that.
There is a whole book in the Bible named Judges, about God raising men up to act as judges. Again, to go back to the Words of Jesus in John 7:
24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.
Jesus is telling us to judge. Modern Christians prefer the word discernment, but it's all the same thing.
In Matthew 7:6, Jesus says, Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.
Later, in the same chapter, He says,
15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
Jesus is telling us to judge in the same chapter he told us to judge. Is Jesus contradicting Himself?
Here's what he said at the beginning of the chapter:
1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.
So, no, I don't think Jesus is contradicting Himself. If you read what the Master said we are most definitely to judge, but we are to judge in a certain way - not hypocritical, not unforgiving and not self-righteously
Christians are often accused of “judging” or intolerance when they speak out against sin. Being against sin is not wrong. Holding to a standard of righteousness naturally defines unrighteousness and draws the howls of those who choose sin over godliness. Consider John the Baptist in Mark 6 when he incurred the wrath of Herodias when he spoke out against her adultery with Herod.
18 For John had said unto Herod, It is not lawful for thee to have thy brother's wife.
19 Therefore Herodias had a quarrel against him, and would have killed him; but she could not:
20 For Herod feared John, knowing that he was a just man and an holy, and observed him; and when he heard him, he did many things, and heard him gladly.
21 And when a convenient day was come, that Herod on his birthday made a supper to his lords, high captains, and chief estates of Galilee;
22 And when the daughter of the said Herodias came in, and danced, and pleased Herod and them that sat with him, the king said unto the damsel, Ask of me whatsoever thou wilt, and I will give it thee.
23 And he sware unto her, Whatsoever thou shalt ask of me, I will give it thee, unto the half of my kingdom.
24 And she went forth, and said unto her mother, What shall I ask? And she said, The head of John the Baptist.
John judged and was executed for it. But even though Herodius was able to silence John's tongue, the Truth (and his judgement) lived on.
@LuFins-Dad said in OnlyFans:
And there’s also the whole “Judge not”, “Let he who is without sin”, and all that.
Now, you know better than that.
There is a whole book in the Bible named Judges, about God raising men up to act as judges. Again, to go back to the Words of Jesus in John 7:
24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.
Jesus is telling us to judge. Modern Christians prefer the word discernment, but it's all the same thing.
In Matthew 7:6, Jesus says, Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.
Later, in the same chapter, He says,
15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
Jesus is telling us to judge in the same chapter he told us to judge. Is Jesus contradicting Himself?
Here's what he said at the beginning of the chapter:
1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.
So, no, I don't think Jesus is contradicting Himself. If you read what the Master said we are most definitely to judge, but we are to judge in a certain way - not hypocritical, not unforgiving and not self-righteously
Christians are often accused of “judging” or intolerance when they speak out against sin. Being against sin is not wrong. Holding to a standard of righteousness naturally defines unrighteousness and draws the howls of those who choose sin over godliness. Consider John the Baptist in Mark 6 when he incurred the wrath of Herodias when he spoke out against her adultery with Herod.
18 For John had said unto Herod, It is not lawful for thee to have thy brother's wife.
19 Therefore Herodias had a quarrel against him, and would have killed him; but she could not:
20 For Herod feared John, knowing that he was a just man and an holy, and observed him; and when he heard him, he did many things, and heard him gladly.
21 And when a convenient day was come, that Herod on his birthday made a supper to his lords, high captains, and chief estates of Galilee;
22 And when the daughter of the said Herodias came in, and danced, and pleased Herod and them that sat with him, the king said unto the damsel, Ask of me whatsoever thou wilt, and I will give it thee.
23 And he sware unto her, Whatsoever thou shalt ask of me, I will give it thee, unto the half of my kingdom.
24 And she went forth, and said unto her mother, What shall I ask? And she said, The head of John the Baptist.
John judged and was executed for it. But even though Herodius was able to silence John's tongue, the Truth (and his judgement) lived on.
Absolutely none of this puts you in a position to decide the status of her salvation and whether she believes in Jesus.
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Calvinism or Arminianism? Elect? Or not?
Let's uncomplicate this... Matthew 7:16-23, Jesus is speaking...
16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Is a skimpily clad Only Fans model suggestively posing for the money men throw at her, glorifying God? Is she bringing forth good fruit?
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Calvinism or Arminianism? Elect? Or not?
Let's uncomplicate this... Matthew 7:16-23, Jesus is speaking...
16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Is a skimpily clad Only Fans model suggestively posing for the money men throw at her, glorifying God? Is she bringing forth good fruit?
Is a skimpily clad Only Fans model suggestively posing for the money men throw at her, glorifying God? Is she bringing forth good fruit?
I need to do my own research before coming to a decision on this. It might take a while. I'd welcome any donations you Christian folk would like to send over to assist in this vital moral work for the good of both the nation and mankind as a whole. They should be tax-deductible.
