"The Smartest Thing They Ever Did"
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wrote on 14 Dec 2024, 01:40 last edited by
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wrote on 14 Dec 2024, 02:16 last edited by jon-nyc
This is related to what Rob Henderson calls ‘luxury beliefs’.
Luxury beliefs are “ideas or opinions that confer status the upper class at very little cost, while often inflicting costs on the lower classes”. High permissiveness on immigration definitely fits this description
What they (DeSantis and Abbot) did was figure out a way to shift those costs onto the upper class (among many others).
Ultimately I think what they did could be a service to the country, as it will likely be a catalyst to improve the Democratic Party. This despite the fact that it was an immoral thing to do to the human beings involved.
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This is related to what Rob Henderson calls ‘luxury beliefs’.
Luxury beliefs are “ideas or opinions that confer status the upper class at very little cost, while often inflicting costs on the lower classes”. High permissiveness on immigration definitely fits this description
What they (DeSantis and Abbot) did was figure out a way to shift those costs onto the upper class (among many others).
Ultimately I think what they did could be a service to the country, as it will likely be a catalyst to improve the Democratic Party. This despite the fact that it was an immoral thing to do to the human beings involved.
wrote on 14 Dec 2024, 02:40 last edited by George K@jon-nyc said in "The Smartest Thing They Ever Did":
This despite the fact that it was an immoral thing to do to the human beings involved.
Transporting them to the cities where they were supposed to be welcomed is immoral?
Should they have just been kept in cities without the resources to house/heal/feed them?
What would have been the "moral" thing to do?
ETA: Explain this to a senile old man. Change my diaper while you're at it.
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wrote on 14 Dec 2024, 02:51 last edited by
You gonna look me in the eye and tell me DeSantis chartered a plane and sent Texas-based immigrants to Martha's Vineyard because he thought they'd be welcomed?
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This is related to what Rob Henderson calls ‘luxury beliefs’.
Luxury beliefs are “ideas or opinions that confer status the upper class at very little cost, while often inflicting costs on the lower classes”. High permissiveness on immigration definitely fits this description
What they (DeSantis and Abbot) did was figure out a way to shift those costs onto the upper class (among many others).
Ultimately I think what they did could be a service to the country, as it will likely be a catalyst to improve the Democratic Party. This despite the fact that it was an immoral thing to do to the human beings involved.
wrote on 14 Dec 2024, 05:15 last edited by@jon-nyc said in "The Smartest Thing They Ever Did":
Ultimately I think what they did could be a service to the country, as it will likely be a catalyst to improve the Democratic Party.
Forget the Democratic Party. Immigration brings up-front costs and latent benefits. Be it the bearing of up-front costs or the harvesting of latent benefits, it’s only sane and fair to distribute them throughout the country.
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This is related to what Rob Henderson calls ‘luxury beliefs’.
Luxury beliefs are “ideas or opinions that confer status the upper class at very little cost, while often inflicting costs on the lower classes”. High permissiveness on immigration definitely fits this description
What they (DeSantis and Abbot) did was figure out a way to shift those costs onto the upper class (among many others).
Ultimately I think what they did could be a service to the country, as it will likely be a catalyst to improve the Democratic Party. This despite the fact that it was an immoral thing to do to the human beings involved.
wrote on 14 Dec 2024, 05:25 last edited by@jon-nyc said in "The Smartest Thing They Ever Did":
This is related to what Rob Henderson calls ‘luxury beliefs’.
Luxury beliefs are “ideas or opinions that confer status the upper class at very little cost, while often inflicting costs on the lower classes”. High permissiveness on immigration definitely fits this description
What they (DeSantis and Abbot) did was figure out a way to shift those costs onto the upper class (among many others).
Ultimately I think what they did could be a service to the country, as it will likely be a catalyst to improve the Democratic Party. This despite the fact that it was an immoral thing to do to the human beings involved.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but each and every single one of those migrants were asked if they wanted to go? Correct? Nobody was put on those trains planes or busses by force, and every one of them went to a declared sanctuary city or region, explain to me the moral impropriety, here?
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You gonna look me in the eye and tell me DeSantis chartered a plane and sent Texas-based immigrants to Martha's Vineyard because he thought they'd be welcomed?
wrote on 14 Dec 2024, 05:26 last edited by@jon-nyc said in "The Smartest Thing They Ever Did":
You gonna look me in the eye and tell me DeSantis chartered a plane and sent Texas-based immigrants to Martha's Vineyard because he thought they'd be welcomed?
Why not? Martha’s Vineyard was a declared Sanctuary City.
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wrote on 14 Dec 2024, 10:15 last edited by jon-nyc
DeSantis didn’t spend millions to give a few dozen immigrants in Texas a luxury vacation. He did it because he knew Martha’s Vineyard calling itself a sanctuary city (by the common misunderstanding of what that means at least) was virtue signaling and there’s no way these people would find lodging and the means to pay for it.
Unless you show me the consent form said something like ‘I’m going to use you as a means to an end to embarrass my political opponents. You will be sent somewhere where you ultimately have no future prospects and after a few uncomfortable days in front of the cameras you’ll be resettled elsewhere, don’t ask me specifically where because it won’t be up to me but if I were a betting man I’d say in Boston’ then I ain’t buying it.
Only non-witches get due process.
- Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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DeSantis didn’t spend millions to give a few dozen immigrants in Texas a luxury vacation. He did it because he knew Martha’s Vineyard calling itself a sanctuary city (by the common misunderstanding of what that means at least) was virtue signaling and there’s no way these people would find lodging and the means to pay for it.
Unless you show me the consent form said something like ‘I’m going to use you as a means to an end to embarrass my political opponents. You will be sent somewhere where you ultimately have no future prospects and after a few uncomfortable days in front of the cameras you’ll be resettled elsewhere, don’t ask me specifically where because it won’t be up to me but if I were a betting man I’d say in Boston’ then I ain’t buying it.
wrote on 14 Dec 2024, 20:18 last edited by@jon-nyc said in "The Smartest Thing They Ever Did":
DeSantis didn’t spend millions to give a few dozen immigrants in Texas a luxury vacation. He did it because he knew Martha’s Vineyard calling itself a sanctuary city (by the common misunderstanding of what that means at least) was virtue signaling and there’s no way these people would find lodging and the means to pay for it.
Unless you show me the consent form said something like ‘I’m going to use you as a means to an end to embarrass my political opponents. You will be sent somewhere where you ultimately have no future prospects and after a few uncomfortable days in front of the cameras you’ll be resettled elsewhere, don’t ask me specifically where because it won’t be up to me but if I were a betting man I’d say in Boston’ then I ain’t buying it.
I ain't buying any moralistic framing that doesn't include details of the way in which these voluntary participants were mistreated, as compared to the treatment they could have expected if they'd said no to the opportunity.
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DeSantis didn’t spend millions to give a few dozen immigrants in Texas a luxury vacation. He did it because he knew Martha’s Vineyard calling itself a sanctuary city (by the common misunderstanding of what that means at least) was virtue signaling and there’s no way these people would find lodging and the means to pay for it.
Unless you show me the consent form said something like ‘I’m going to use you as a means to an end to embarrass my political opponents. You will be sent somewhere where you ultimately have no future prospects and after a few uncomfortable days in front of the cameras you’ll be resettled elsewhere, don’t ask me specifically where because it won’t be up to me but if I were a betting man I’d say in Boston’ then I ain’t buying it.
wrote on 14 Dec 2024, 20:41 last edited by@jon-nyc said in "The Smartest Thing They Ever Did":
DeSantis didn’t spend millions to give a few dozen immigrants in Texas a luxury vacation.
DeSantis moved 50 people from Texas to Martha's Vineyard. He spent "millions?"
Did he rent a private jet - for each of them?
Now, if you want to talk about flying migrants around, we can talk about the people being jetted from Ecuador, Nicaragua, etc to places like Whitewater Wisconsin (as an example) where the population went up 15% - overnight.
We don't even know where they were flown to.
And yeah, it was taxpayer money.
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wrote on 14 Dec 2024, 20:57 last edited by
I remember the number being $3MM
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wrote on 14 Dec 2024, 21:00 last edited by
@jon-nyc said in "The Smartest Thing They Ever Did":
I remember the number being $3MM
$60,000 per migrant - San Antonio to Martha's Vineyard.
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wrote on 14 Dec 2024, 21:00 last edited by
Now I’m seeing $1.6 to the aviation company and another million to lawyers. 52k per immigrant.
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wrote on 14 Dec 2024, 23:05 last edited by
As a Florida guy that actually paid those taxes--
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Now I’m seeing $1.6 to the aviation company and another million to lawyers. 52k per immigrant.
wrote on 14 Dec 2024, 23:53 last edited by@jon-nyc said in "The Smartest Thing They Ever Did":
I’m seeing $1.6 to the aviation company
That seems out of line.
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wrote on 15 Dec 2024, 00:20 last edited by
It was from a Tallahassee paper that linked to a state database showing payments to vendors. I’ve since closed the link.
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wrote on 15 Dec 2024, 00:45 last edited by
I wonder how much the Biden administration paid to move the quarter of a million "migrants" out of South America and drop them off in upstate New York in the middle of the night.
