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What? Illegals vote?

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  • HoraceH Offline
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    Horace
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    A good example of an abandonment of principle, without even being aware of it. Play the political punditry game long enough, and I'm sure it doesn't take long, and your only principle will be winning. You've long since convinced yourself that after you win, you'll do all those principled things, so you don't have to so much as give a second thought to principle while you're trying to win. Problem is that you'll live your whole live without getting out of "trying to win" mode.

    Education is extremely important.

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      The more direct slip-up in the post is the idea that legal voters of a certain ethnic background are deeply concerned with illegals of that same background. That simply isn't the case, and the idea that it is, is just a symptom of the idiotic racism of the identitarian left, assuming everybody who looks the same, also thinks the same.

      It's one of the deeper ironies of the identitarian left, driven by degreed white females, that they believe the deepest political division in the country is between them and people who look exactly like them (whites on the left and right), while they assume that all categories of people who aren't white, think basically the same.

      Education is extremely important.

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      • HoraceH Horace

        The more direct slip-up in the post is the idea that legal voters of a certain ethnic background are deeply concerned with illegals of that same background. That simply isn't the case, and the idea that it is, is just a symptom of the idiotic racism of the identitarian left, assuming everybody who looks the same, also thinks the same.

        It's one of the deeper ironies of the identitarian left, driven by degreed white females, that they believe the deepest political division in the country is between them and people who look exactly like them (whites on the left and right), while they assume that all categories of people who aren't white, think basically the same.

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        @Horace Correct. The assumption of monolithic ethnicity. Nothing could be farther from the truth.

        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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          Nevertheless it’s a good point. Insofar as dems were pro-immigrant to appeal to Latinos that’s clearly not working, and not worth the political cost.

          Only non-witches get due process.

          • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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            It might or might not be a true point. For electoral calculus, there is a hidden cost to establishing that your side doesn't actually have certain principles that it claims to have. As many on the far left are excited to say, many people stayed home this election because the Dems didn't live up to the principles that should have made them strongly against the genocide in Gaza. Establishing those principles won't necessarily make the latino voters happy, but they also need to keep the virtue purist degreed whites happy.

            Education is extremely important.

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              Win, baby win!

              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                Speaking of costs:

                https://www.aei.org/opportunity-social-mobility/key-data-on-federal-benefits-paid-to-illegal-immigrant-households/

                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                  #9

                  The buried the lede in paragraph 6. Its the US citizen in the household that is eligible for aid.

                  Only non-witches get due process.

                  • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                  • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                    Nevertheless it’s a good point. Insofar as dems were pro-immigrant to appeal to Latinos that’s clearly not working, and not worth the political cost.

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                    @jon-nyc said in What? Illegals vote?:

                    Nevertheless it’s a good point. Insofar as dems were pro-immigrant to appeal to Latinos that’s clearly not working, and not worth the political cost.

                    If it’s a 55/45 split, you stand a very real chance of losing more of the 55, making the problem worse. If Latinos break conservative, the democrats wind up in an untenable position.

                    The Brad

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                      The idea would be they’d gain more in other demographics where the former stance was unpopular.

                      Only non-witches get due process.

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