Hunter Biden Pardoned

[George K]

If I read that pardon correctly, the entire Ukrainian grift is pardoned as well. So he pardoned himself as well.

Son of a bitch!

[Horace]

@George-K said in Pardoned:

If I read that pardon correctly, the entire Ukrainian grift is pardoned as well. So he pardoned himself as well.

Son of a bitch!

Good point.

[jon-nyc]

@Horace said in Pardoned:

So, does Trump have a handy whatabout pardon to compare with this one?

Depends on what you would consider a good comparable.

Charles Kushner? Bannon? Flynn? Roger Stone? Manafort? Blagojevich? Joe Arpaio? The various war criminals?

But if you want perfect comparison, neither Uday nor Qusay Trump were convicted of anything (yet) so he didn’t even have the opportunity.

[George K]

Why would President-Elect Trump pardon Blago? Reportedly, he considered it, but didn't.

Just for some perspective, Bill Clinton pardoned about 140 people on his last day, including his brother.

Also, for perspective, he commuted the sentences of the Senate bombers.

[George K]

Jim Jordan:

"Democrats said there was nothing to our impeachment inquiry.

If that’s the case, why did Joe Biden just issue Hunter Biden a pardon for the very things we were inquiring about?"

[George K]

@jon-nyc said in Pardoned:

But if you want perfect comparison, neither Uday nor Qusay Trump were convicted of anything (yet) so he didn’t even have the opportunity.

They weren't convicted, let alone indicted. So, it's far from a "perfect comparison."

The various war criminals?

You're talking about Obama, who ordered an extra-judical assassination of a US citizen? He wasn't indicted or convicted either.

[Copper]

I wonder if Mr. Biden knows he did it.

[jon-nyc]

@George-K said in Pardoned:

Jim Jordan:

"Democrats said there was nothing to our impeachment inquiry.

If that’s the case, why did Joe Biden just issue Hunter Biden a pardon for the very things we were inquiring about?"

Hunter didn't hold any office from which he could be impeached. He was charged with a gun offense and failure to pay taxes, both of which are crimes of individuals, or spouses, Not father-son pairs. That much should have been obvious to Mr Jordan, and to you.

[jon-nyc]

@George-K said in Pardoned:

Why would President-Elect Trump pardon Blago? Reportedly, he considered it, but didn't.

He didn't pardon him, he commuted his sentence. My bad.

[Mik]

@George-K said in Pardoned:

If I read that pardon correctly, the entire Ukrainian grift is pardoned as well. So he pardoned himself as well.

Son of a bitch!

Probably not a bad idea. But the claim that Hunter was singled out only because he is my son and not admitting that Trump was similarly singled out is galling hypocrisy.

[jon-nyc]

@George-K said in Pardoned:

@jon-nyc said in Pardoned:

The various war criminals?

You're talking about Obama, who ordered an extra-judical assassination of a US citizen? He wasn't indicted or convicted either.

No, Obama didn't pardon any war criminals to my knowledge. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, which is certainly possible. The last days of the Obama administration are a bit of a blur, as most of the news coverage at the time was about Trump's incoming administration.

I'm referring to Trump's pardoning of Eddie Gallagher, Clint Lawrence, Mathew Goldstein, and four Blackwater mercenaries, all of which murdered civilians. The soldiers were convicted by military courts and the Blackwater mercenaries were charged and convicted by GWB's DoJ.

[George K]

I was referring to Obama not having been convicted of extra-judicial killings and not having been convicted. Of course, now he's immune to prosecution since he was POTUS at the time.

President-Elect Trump also pardoned Jared's dad.

Regarding Jim Jordan's comment, implicit in it is obvious that Hunter committed crimes while Joe was in office. And, there are documents to support that on his spectacular laptop. Joe was implicated in at least one of those crimes. But Joe's gone in about 60 days, so who cares any more?

That should have been obvious.

Saw this.

Remember, when Republicans screw up, it's the story.
When Democrats screw up, Republicans' reactions is the story.

[Jolly]

The hot rumor...Hunter informed his dad about a month ago he was writing a tell-all book (casting Hunter in the best light, of course), and the book would implicate the Big Guy and other family members.

[Mik]

It was so freaking obvious that he would do this once he was no longer the candidate.

[George K]

And that is the source of the outrage. Clinton, Bush, Obama, and yes, President-Elect Trump , never made statements that they would (or would not) pardon someone.

POTATUS repeated it many times that he would not.

"No one is above the law!" he preened, while showing us that, indeed, his son is.

[George K]

What's the best guess that Biden will pre-emptively pardon his brother, Jim?

[Mik]

Again, we as a nation have come to expect and accept this type of behavior from politicians. Until we decide not to anymore it will worsen.

[George K]

Funny that Biden is framing it as a political persecution.

The precedent is set.

"Thank you, Mr. President!"

[Doctor Phibes]

@George-K said in Pardoned:

Funny that Biden is framing it as a political persecution.

The precedent is set.

Biden didn't set the precedent. The reason given for Paul Manafort's pardon was 'The greatest witch hunt in American history'

[George K]

@Doctor-Phibes said in Pardoned:

Biden didn't set the precedent. The reason given for Paul Manafort's pardon was 'The greatest witch hunt in American history'

Fair enough.

Biden legitimized it.